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Help! Somebody must take action, please! (Catawiki again)
I don't know Justin Galczynski, but I do know a little bit Xin_FAWIS, and Xin_FAWIS nice forum member in my eyes, always helpful and feels that person knows what he's is talking about.
I never had any transactions with Xin_FAWIS, but purely based on my reading and other personal experiences based on this forum, and based on personal gut feeling, I will have to side with Xin_FAWIS (with no disrespect to Justin Galczynski). Even when considering that I am completely blindfolded at the moment in regards to sold/purchased bowl issue.
Xin_FAWIS/Justin Galczynski, as this sale/purchase sale "issue", in a plane forum site now, and as this thread is possibly affecting members reputation>> maybe it is possible to see a bowl?
@lucky Hello Audrius,
I appreciate your words and honestly no disrespect taken. I couldn't agree with you more on @xin_fawis and his help, knowledge, and guidance on this forum.
This was an example of a big miscommunication and also (if I am being honest) ebay making it very difficult to navigate these types of issues on the site. I wish that I would have taken Xin's advice in the very beginning and worked with him off of that platform.
If it is ok with everyone here, I would prefer not to share images of the bowl as I don't want to tie any piece of Xin's to anything that could make it harder for him to sell in the future. I have already taken the piece to the shipper where I is being prepped to get back to Xin, however I got contacted by another expert that I sent images of the piece (who, unfortunately, took a few weeks to reply) and he is saying that the piece looks good to him as of the period.
I think this may be an example of me (a young collector) taking the words of one expert to heart and jumping to conclusions and panicking. All I can say is that it is and was definitely a lesson learned about buying online and the relationship area of that type of sale environment.
I again apologize that this was taken here, however in this situation I can definitely take the bulk of the responsibility and have learned a lot about expert opinions and standards of buyer expectation. I think the recent Sotheby's sale is an interesting example of the SERIOUS differences in expert opinions and more public experts finding it better to mis-date something as Republic or Modern (or that they don't know for that matter) than putting a date to the piece.
Again, this was definitely a learning experience for me in both the etiquette of online collecting as well as expert opinions. I appreciate the constructive criticism I have received from the members of this great forum and again wanted to say that @xin_fawis and I have spoken and all is good - I very much value his time and understanding.
All the best everyone!
This is an interesting issue. It seems there will almost always be expert disagreements, so I feel it is up to me to do my research and make an informed decision prior to buying something. After I click the buy button, write the check, etc, unless I find out there has been incompetence or deliberate fraud to deceive and lie to me, then my decision to buy is final. One expert saying later it is good but another saying it is bad is not in my opinion a valid reason to ask for a refund. The rules on ebay and wherever else may let people do that, but I don't think it is very fair to the good and honest sellers trying to make their living in this trade. We have to take some responsibility as buyers and not be flip-flopping at the sellers expense and stress. Again, there will always be an expert out there to question if something might not be authentic, so we can't be letting ourselves get blown in the winds of doubt every time one of them isn't quite sure. There is no question who's opinion on this bowl I would trust more: it would be the very experienced collector who had acquired and handled it in person, not the other expert looking at some photos of it online. At any rate, I'm glad you two seem to have worked it out and everyone understands nobody deliberately meant to do the other harm. Live and learn. John
Dear John, Thank you for these words. It would be a blessing for all if a collector could make his decisions as you do and search for the truth independently. 👍 👍 👍
I've known Lark for a few years, now. We are not close friends, but I've done quite a lot of business with him, so I think it is safe to say we are friendly acquaintences.
Lark has tremendous experience, but A) nobody is perfect, and B) the opionion of just one expert should not be taken as definitive proof. I'll add that Lark is rather conservative with his assessments in my experience.
John Shoe said it very well in his post.
That said, I'm not defending the authenticity of a bowl I've not handled, but one thing is for sure, if you received your refund, then you should return the item ASAP. This business about waiting for a shipping label is complete nonsense. Why do you need to wait? Because you want Xin to pay for the return shipping, too?
I don't know the return policy of Xin or Ebay, but because you're not satisfied with your item after receiving it, you should pay to send it back. Xin is not Amazon or Walmart...he is a person with knowledge and good intentions, and in this industry, the cost of shipping is part of the buyer's responsibilities (unless free shipping/free return shipping was offered).
Not every transaction works out, but there's no need to create such bad blood over it....settle up quickly and move on!
Agreed everyone, all is good and no bad blood 😀 Xin and everyone here on the forum is great. I appreciate the constructive criticism and will definitely keep that all in mind in the future!
All the best everyone,
@xin_fawis may I ask your eBay page ID. I’m in the market for a few things and like to scout. Thanks
If you’re looking for something special, just send me a email.
I cut my teeth on Catawiki recently and promised to report back as part of an earlier thread. Sold two lovely condition but not very old cloisonne powder pots for not a lot but to good feedback from buyer who got a well packaged bargain. I also purchased an item - not relevant to this forum as it was a chess clock - however I paid a fair price only to have it arrive badly packaged, not working, grubby and not the same one as in the photos. Don't think I'll be using them again given what I've read here.
I have quite a few hopefully interesting items I'd love to sell on the internal market here but can't seem to find the right links to do so.
Thanks for all your helpful contributions ;0)
I have bid on a few things, but not got anything, yet. It seemed to me that prices are going up on there from where they were. I also received a dirty, very badly packaged item this week (ebay) so I sympathise with the frustration
By "internal market" do you mean Bidamountlive ? I always struggle to find it, I just had to use the search on the main page to get the link. Ages ago, I asked Peter if we could have a direct link on the top of the forum, but he either was too busy or maybe thought it was a bad idea. Or maybe there is one that I simply can't see. 😊 Here is the link:
@julia On my smartphone the link is on an orange bar at the bottom of the page that never disappears. On the desktop site a popup window keeps appearing. It’s almost too much so I wonder how you managed to get rid of these.
That is interesting. I get the pop-up window sometimes when I go on to the site but not always. It hasn't come up now. Maybe because I entered via an email link? I am on the pc now so will see if it comes up if I close this and entered normally.
No, it didn't come up. When it does, I close it because it is not what I want to look at right then. After that, I can't find it easily. I think it would be easier to have a link at the top in the yellow box with the other links to different parts of the site, but maybe the problem with that is that it is a separate site?
I have just realised that if you click on the market place box towards the bottom of the page, there is a link there to Bidamount Live. 😊
FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!
As ALL things sold by AfricanAsianArt and Pax Romana onm Catawiki. STRICTLY AVOID ANYTHING FROM THOSE SELLERS!!
Note the estimate made by the "expert":
At least their Rose Mandarin vase looks ok though an estimate of €1600-1800 seems a bit high.
€5000-6000 for an average sized Wanli plate, even IF it was authentic, is exaggerated.
I think the best thing to do with catawiki is ignore the experts and treat it like an ebay auction. They do have the potential to give buyers false confidence unfortunately.
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