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Dear Friends,
I looked at all the rice grain cups on Gotheborg before I've posted this one. It seems the rice grain cups go as far back as Ming. My Cup has the phoenix/crane and leaves on bottom- and bats and clouds on the inside rim - with a Guangxu mark. The dots on the crane are just like the Guangxu samples. But the pine/bamboo/plum blossom branches on the outside rim -don't show up on any of the other posts I've seen. It is very thinly potted and a nice thin foot. What do you think?
David Coles
The bats on the inner rim partly overlap the cloud decoration. I think a painter would have avoided this. They are probably transfer printed or made with a stamp. My personal guess is mid Republic. As I saw you also put this on Gotheborg I hope a real expert like Michaela will answer. I find rice grain porcelain very interesting.
Birgit
I agree... this is an unusual example of M&P Guangxu rice ware, and the quality is consistant with export ware of this time.
There is an assumption that M&P pieces are of better quality than non M&P pieces - it is simply a general rule, more true in the case of wares from before 1800, but certainly not always the case for later Qing piecees, as your cup clearly demonstrates.
Plenty of non M&P pieces intended for domestic consumption are of higher quality than your cup, but among rice ware pieces, I think you found an interesting piece.
I looked at all the bats on the inside scroll and each one is different than the others- there are 5 - I'll try to show some. BTW, the clouds are different as well. Also, all the leaves on the outside bottom are painted differently, as well. AND, the outside pine and bamboo etc are each differently painted. So, I don't see any transfer - there is a lot of shading throughout the painting.
David Coles
When I read Birgit’s comments I thought that sounded right, but then I looked at watersilkdragon and saw in the first example of bats and clouds decoration there was overlap. Mine has one wing overlapping, top left bat.
Here is my little spoon, the forum taught me that it is called rice grain, when I originally posted, I called them windows.
Had to make a break from the house to run some errands and I went through an Antique Shop today, it was so crowded with stuff, it made me a nervous wreck, I did find a piece of cloisonne marked like Republic, but it was an ashtray, so I passed on it. They also had a piece of cloisonne that they called a bowl, but I think it was the top of a ginger jar, could not imagine finding the bottom half, so I passed on that as well. I love your bowl, I almost bought one, but it had swastikas around the interior center painting, which I know has nothing to do with you know who, but I passed on that as well. Your crane in the center is lovely.
It's a very nice bowl. Good detail.
My personal feeling is that it's late guangxu period through republican period.
The reign mark is very well-written and has that 'hollow line' effect. This is something a number of scholars have argued about.
Generally but not exclusively you will see it mostly on late Qing to republican period.
Mark
Thanks to everyone for the input. I had always thought the rice ware was a gimmick and just for the foreign trade. And that might be true later. But, I haven't seen many in the west - and some of those were heavy not thin. Take away the rice window, and it's still a well potted dish with a beautiful blue underglaze.
I would be interested to see if some of you have one of these pieces in their collection. (I too have passed up a rare piece not to my taste).
David Coles
A little Guangxu milk jug that was originally part of a tea service.
Birgit
Shinigami,
That is a beautiful piece. Thanks for sharing it AND the mark is PERFECTLY done!
David Coles
I like the drawing inside and around the bottom. Did you recognize the date? I haven't seen a lot of the rice grain pieces. But only a few, I think, are very interesting. That's why I asked if others had a rice grain piece - that we could all see if there is some real quality. Thanks for your addition.
Perhaps this one of museum interest.
David Coles
Hi David, I wish I had more to add, but I am very new and learning 🙂 Maybe someone else can weigh in on the date.
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