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Topic starter 13/03/2021 5:02 pm  

Hello All

I hope that you may like seeing my little jade bead in the form of a recumbent Tianma. I originally thought that it may be a Bixie, but I feel that the positioning of the right front leg and the looped tail may be that of a Tianma. It is only 3cm long by 1.6cm tall.

I seem to recall that some time ago in another topic Mark mentioned something about white flecks in hardstone, but I can't remember if it was a sign of genuine jade or not. There seems to be a fair amount of white spots within my hardstone figure.

It is on a silk thread as it hangs around my neck. I do not wear a fancy watch or any other type of adornment, but I really get a lot of enjoyment everyday from wearing my tiny animal figure.

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Kind regards,

Jeremy


   
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13/03/2021 8:55 pm  

@Jeremy,

Hi Jeremy,

In all probability your item is nephrite jade.

It's a celedon colour. It has shading of white and very slight brown.

It has no blotches or spots that would indicate that it is serpentine.

Mark 

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Topic starter 14/03/2021 3:51 am  

@imperialfinegems

Hello Mark

Thank you for your kind help. I know that it is not an intricately carved piece of jade, but I find the simplicity of it very jolly and tactile.

Kind regards,

Jeremy


   
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14/03/2021 7:57 am  

If those white spots are inclusions that reflect the light and create an effect similar to that seen in aventurine quartz they are commonly called 'snowflake inclusions' and will probably add to the value of your piece.

If the white spots are just cloudy patches the material will most often be considered lower quality than if the tone was even all over.

It's still a nice piece and possibly very old in my opinion.

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@avatar

Thank you for this information.

I guess that the white spots would be described as being cloudy patches. I have taken a photograph using a 7x loupe in the daylight which may show the white spots a little bit better.

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Hello Mark

Please may I ask for a bit more of your help. I have been searching through jades in the upcoming Christie's sale as there seems to be a large variety of types of stone and I notice that the one below has very similar spots in the stone, especially in the leg shown in image 3, to my little bead,

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6306037

Do you think that my jade may be of a similar type of stone, or is my observation incorrect? I have attached another closeup of my bead.

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14/03/2021 6:54 pm  

Yes similar stone. The one from christies is a celedon greenish-white. Whereas yours is a greyish-white with a light brownish. Always difficult to determine colors accurately especially white from grey. It's a reflection from the camera flash. 

Mark 

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Topic starter 15/03/2021 3:03 am  

@imperialfinegems

Thank you Mark for your additional help.

I have purchased one of the copies of the Jessica Rawson book that you have previously mentioned. I am finding it extremely informative and thanks to you I was able to purchase it at a reasonable price.

Kind regards,

Jeremy


   
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Topic starter 26/03/2021 12:34 pm  

@imperialfinegems @avatar

As a further development to my trying to find out more about my small jade bead, I was watching Mr Chow's new video regarding the upcoming sale of three Imperial seals and I noticed that the head of the Kangxi Emperor's wood seal is of a similar style.

I have been searching for any jade carving with a similar simple style of head and up to now I have been unsuccessful. I had seen a post by Alain R Truong that convinced me that my bead represents a Tianma due to the posture, tail and wings, but the carving of the head on my bead is clearly of a much simpler style.

http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2018/11/26/36897940.html

I have found that that Imperial seal has been previously sold by Sotheby's,

https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/kangxi-history-and-power-hk0642/lot.3101.html

And the description of the head could very easily describe my bead.

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I know that my bead is not an Imperial piece, but it does show me that this style of mythical beast was being used as early as the Kangxi period.

Kind regards,

Jeremy 

 


   
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Topic starter 17/11/2021 4:50 pm  

@imperialfinegems 

Hello Mark

My post regarding my wine cups with flying horses decoration reminded me of my previous post of my Tianma jade bead, the heavenly flying horse. It would seem that I am drawn to Chinese flying horses!

I have asked Peter for his help in trying to date as to when it may have been carved and he believes that it may be from the Yuan to early Ming period. Obviously I am very happy with this dating.

At first Peter thought that it was a dog, as my photographs did not show the wings clearly and it would seem that there are a lot of examples of small jade dogs, but I have yet to find a similar small Tianma jade of the same period.

Below are some more close up photographs of it which I hope show the wings more clearly.

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Kind regards,

Jeremy

 


   
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17/11/2021 6:44 pm  

@Jeremy,

Hi Jeremy,

What a exceptionally delightful example of nephrite jade.

Dating these is extremely difficult. I can tell you you that  it's not newish or modern. And that it got potential! 

I would need to do some research on this particular example and compare with other examples.

I shall get back to you with my opinion etc.

Regards,

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 18/11/2021 1:56 am  

@imperialfinegems

Thank you Mark.

The hole drilled through it is irregular in diameter, starting at around 2mm at each end, but reducing down to about 1mm inside and so it would appear to have been bored out by hand rather than drilled. Peter thinks that the hole may have been made at a later period for it to be used as a pendant.

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Jeremy


   
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22/11/2021 1:40 pm  

It's a good piece. The flying horse seems to be quite rare. I think it could bring you $20,000 or more at Christie's ...


   
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Topic starter 22/11/2021 1:57 pm  

@avatar

Thank you for your kind optimism, but as it is not from a old collection I doubt that it would achieve such a value. It would be nice to find a similar jade bead to compare it against.

I am happy to keep wearing it on a silk cord around my neck and pass it on to my Sons at some time in the future.

Kind regards,

Jeremy


   
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22/11/2021 7:03 pm  

@Jeremy,

Hi Jeremy,

Its a recumbent jade horse in the form of a toggle or pendant. If you Google you will find numerous examples from leading dealers etc. 

It's difficult to determine its age as I have been unable to find one similar. In particular the head, mane hair and spine.

This would need further investigation.

I know Peter and Avatar are inclined to think it's a early example. Perhaps from the Yuan-Ming period.

Sam Bernstein from San Francisco is I think the best person to ask. He has a unbelievable library. And he is internationally recognized. Much better access to archived than mine. But he does charge for his services etc. You can mention my name and perhaps he will give you a discount.

www.bernsteinjadeart.com

Other than that perhaps ask sotheby's, christies or bonhams for their opinion. But if your not known to them. They may reject it outright for no reason. 

Personally I am inclined to think it's a good example from the Qing period. This is based on the tooling, positioning of the head, tucked hoofs, spine and lack of hair. Yours has hair but not finely carved. 

It could be much earlier. 

Regards, 

Mark 

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