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what do other members think of this leaning vase , i always thougth this imperfections shoud not even exist bc they are emediatly destroid by the Potter ..is this not just another way to tell its a later copy. It must be very anoying to have this sitting on youre mantle piece.
by the way this is advert as "19cent or even earlier" mid 20th IMO
What an unusual looking vase. Not particularly well done either in my opinion.
As the top entrance appears to be molded by hand suggests an earlier period. However not sure why it was not discarded. The way the rocks are shown suggest PROC in my view. Could be a home made job or someone experimenting in the kiln.
Imagine seeing this or offering it to a retail store.
It's probably anywhere between 1940-1960's. Just my thoughts! 🙏
Mark
Interesting. The bottom seems a bit of a mess, looks deliberately scratched where one wouldn't expect scratches, but maybe there is an explanation. I can see what Mark means about the rock. However, my feeling is that a lot of trouble has been gone to for a wonky vase in trying to replicate the idea of having been painted around. I remember Birgit mentioning green lines between dark areas and you can see the hairs/ feathers above the birds beaks. Also many of the flowers look like the petals have been squared off but maybe that happens on non black vases, too?
This vase only looks wonky from two sides, maybe they felt they could get away with it. It isn't high quality, possibly they couldn't afford the waste in this period. Or maybe it was discarded and rescued by someone else looking to make money. I read that used to happen.
Basically, I am saying that if this is mid 20th c, then without actually seeing it in person, I may have been taken in and felt it was late 19th /early 20th c. 🙄
Yes it’s quite a mystery. Though I don’t like the bottom, the painting seems made in the old way combining colors to achieve black. The painting quality isn’t great but not sloppy either. Is it technically possible that the vase got deformed in the second firing rather than in the first? For who should take the trouble to carefully paint an already deformed body?
Birgit
@shinigami i could not agree more ...i dont think its possible that the vase deform during the second firering but i will ask a potter.
I remember Peter saying in a video that sometimes you will see file marks on one side of the base, where they tried to make them sit level. I like the famille noir decoration and think the funky base looks sixties/seventies. As carpenters say, "shim it," perhaps with felt on low side. Sharon
just a quick update on this . the item sold for 165.-US
Hi Martin -
Not really my area but concur with others comments ...
Can only add an old saying from my first teacher who once said “Never buy a leaner” ...!!😉😜
Stuart
I have to say the base is quite ugly. Perhaps the vase was deliberately designed in this slumping way to display only wilted flowers.
Probably made for one specific customer. "There was a crooked man, who built a crooked house..."
@kirby13 Yes, it may have appeared level in some old homes I have seen, always take a marble when in the market for an old "historic" home. Sharon
Hi all,
I have been absent for a while.
I do not see problems here; the vase is late 19th/very early 20th century.
It collapsed a bit during the first firing and have not been discarded, after all it is not meant to be made for the Imperial Court. It happens; a bit too much but it happens.
Collapsing during the second firing is not possible because the temperature is much lower, about two thirds of the temperature needed for the porcelain body.
What it could be done is to sit it on a wooden base, which inside is properly carved in order to keep it standing up vertical.
Regards,
Giovanni
I was thinking of you, yesterday! So nice to "see" you again. 😊
Thank you dear Julia.
Regards,
Giovanni
@clayandbrush dear Giovanni and dear Friends... i whas able to track down the buyer he lives in the penthouse of this Building.
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