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I inherited this beautiful work of fine art... it has documentation claiming purchase in 1967 in a well known auction house/ appraisal / art dealer / broker... The China Art Company in kowloon Hong Kong... the document contains the description of an old man ( confucius ) is who I believe the artist was going for... very realistic to the pictures I have seen of the the great Teacher himself... it claims it is genuine Ivory and is at least one hundred twenty two years old in 1967... making it at least 177 years old that means its from around 1800's but I was told it is much older than the documents claims... it has something to do with the markings on the bottom of it... any insight from any experts in this field of fine art appraisal...
contact me if you are a serious collector... i may be willing to part with it... i have had offers in the past.... usually way too low or just not enough to make it as valuable as it needs to be... after it is recognized by the artist or the fact it is of Confucius...
The carving looks to have been probably fairly new at the time it was sold. Stylistically the work is not consistent with Qing work. The mark on the base is very poorly done and was likely put on in an attempt to deceive someone. It may also be carved not from Ivory but Mamouth tusk. The staining on the bottom is very typical of copies. Shops in Hong Kong pumped these out like crazy from the 50's onward.
Peter
Peter
hi peter thank you for your kind words...
but this came out of a very reputable company in hong kong ( I did some research )... are you saying they lied about the age... because i had a professor at a well known college tell me that the mark is early traditional chinese from a certain time during a 15 year span ... likely ming but he also told me it is very valuable... he said that it may be from mammoth but much older than the document says... you didn't say anything about the fact that it resembles confucius...???
Hello Jim,
Traditionally, the Chinese didn't carve Monmouth tusks prior to around 1950 or so, certainly not in the Ming dynasty nor Qing dynasty. They began using them when elephant ivory became increasingly difficult to get, as well as when they realized making "Ming -like " carvings had a viable market.
As for the resemblance to Confucious, he is still being carved in statues and figures today. He could also be the likeness of numerous other Chiese figures, as well as a pastiche of Chinese elder figures. My wife who speaks Mandarin fluently and has a degree in Asian studies, and writes as well, looked at the script/seal. She said it's not actually a readable type of script, but "hash marks" done to resemble old seal scripts. But has no legible meaning.
The China Art and Craft Company store who sold it, have a fairly long history of selling modern piece as old to mostly tourists. I am sure it was bought in good faith, but my feeling on it is, the piece is around 60 to 70 years old.
Best Peter
Peter
Hi Jim and Peter,
From the color and cracks, i say it is an ivory carving from Canton and old than hundred year. I don’t think the dealer lied about the age. The mark is unreadable private mark. There are two places used to carve ivory in China, Beijing and canton. Carvings from Beijing are generally high quality, carvings from canton are generally commercial quality.
charles.
Cj
Second look found the mark is Great Ming Chen hua, which may not be right.
Cj
I collect netsukes so i know about ivory
this was aged to look old
thank you all... any idea its value...
anyone interested in this....
anyone interested in this....
Hi,
I imagine a lot of people, like me, are simply unable to help with this. I imagine you have already looked online to see if there are any similar items which might give you an idea of its value or, indeed, the desirability of these objects, which, of course, informs value. If you feel it is very valuable, I would approach an auction house for an estimate.
Sorry, I can't be more helpful. I don't have a clue what it is worth, only what I might pay for it as someone who doesn't collect these things.
Best wishes,
Julia
Attached are several images which might be helpful here.
The first of the crouching figure is a fairly modern example made in the last 50 years and is available for sale through a curio seller. These have turned up at many auctions as "Ming Ivory". It is made from Mamouth tusk.
Next is a grouping of 19th C Qing ivories from Christie's Amsterdam (the first figure on the left is Japanese)
Last is a Ming IVory carving from the Christie's image archives. CIrca 1600.
Peter
Peter
hi peter... thank you for your help... I have to believe it is a lot like the first one... almost Identical in fact... but 3 times its size at 16 inches tall... so what would be a fair price to ask... and the document I have does prove it was purchased in 1967 in hong kong... does that have any bearing on authenticity and legal rights...
Morning
I have seen them selling on eBay they don't state as ivory I do believe
ebay ban selling of ivory and with ban of all ivory in some countries
Selling ivory is getting harder todo . You have to check laws on selling.
I believe I can sell it with my documentation being from 1967...
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