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Topic starter 12/10/2022 12:15 pm  

Friends.

I love this little thing, but it has a LITTLE break.  Should I try to fix it.  If so how to do it suggestions.  I'd welcome it's dating - and/or comments.

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12/10/2022 12:27 pm  

The repair needed looks rather difficult. I would leave or give it into the hands of a professional restorer. It's a lovely piece by the way.

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13/10/2022 10:15 pm  

I take it you dont have the missing piece? If you dont have the piece, it may be worth it just to leave it. Is there a crack on the bottom left between the flower spokes and "stairs"? You should make sure that is stable also. If you are dead set on getting it fixed, look for a professional ceramic/porcelain restorer/conservator (who's part of an association) in your area and get their opinion and a quote. It may outweigh the cost but doing it yourself may actually reduce the value if you plan on selling in the future. A professional conservator who is part of an association is really the best way of repairing damage to antique pieces because their repairs are recognized as admissible "treatments", mainly because they are reversable so if someone likes the damage (it happens) it can be returned to its original state. Some conservators also will help you creating provenance which helps with the value in the end when and if you want to sell. If you're not selling it and just want it to look perfect, there are a few books out there on antique porcelain repair which will help you with the techniques - good luck replicating the glaze effect though 😉 !

All that aside, beautiful piece as-is, love love love robins egg glaze (unfortunately I'm not the only one!!).

Dating wise I believe they started robins egg in Yongzheng period and Galerie Nicolas Fournery has a very similar Kangxi example HERE (he says its a brush rest) so it is definitely looks 18th C. Good luck!


   
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Topic starter 14/10/2022 12:07 pm  

DannD,

Thank you so much for you good advice.  I will certainly follow through with your suggestions.  I don't believe there is a problem with the "stairs"  I didn't try to clean it inside - probably ink residue.  Here are two other examples of the style - both from a Sotheby auction.  For the scholar's table.

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14/10/2022 12:50 pm  

This a very simple repair. Get some molding clay that doesn’t shrink during baking. Mold the broken area and form it to your liking. Bake it in oven for few minutes at 400 until hard. Make a mold with same clay spray the baked piece with cooking oil press it into clay to make a mold. Now bake it until hard. Get some water weld epoxy spray mold very lite press epoxy puddy into mold. Release your finished pieces sand smooth if needed. Now find some 2parts epoxy resin and find pigment that is close to the blue you can mix to your spec brush a coating on to the pieces to get the texture affect spray tinted alcohol regular 91 percent with black pigment. I would make some practice pieces it won’t be perfect but will fill the void use UV superglue it can be released with acetone.

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14/10/2022 6:59 pm  

@musicnus No problem. What did they go for on Sotheby's? and when did they sell? I can't seem to find the examples on their website. That price will give you a good idea of whether its worth it or not to invest in the repair. From what I have seen Robin's egg glaze is fairly hot in the market so I am sure it's worth getting a quote or 2 just to see. I don't believe a repair that size wouldn't even be that expensive tbh. I really like that melon brush washer also! 

@lotusblack I would love to see you attempt to mimic the robin's egg glaze 😆 I can't imagine that would be easy, even painting it on. Close-ups of the glaze remind of the technique they used to make the inside cover paper of books, the marbling.

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14/10/2022 8:36 pm  

@fuantiques it’s not hard for me due to the fact that I am a professional artist and I make good money fauxing things regularly. I’m extremely experienced in resins and glazes. But yes someone just getting started would have to blend pigments if you get some two parts epoxy and color pigments with enamel spray paints plus alcohol it’s not very hard after some practice testing I actually did a robins egg counter top year back for a client that wanted to sell her house I learned it by accident I was trying to clean up some epoxy and I over sprayed alcohol and it hit a painting I resined and instantly created the texture. This is a very small piece on his item it won’t be perfect but it would fill the void. But yes a professional restoration is always good.


   
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14/10/2022 8:51 pm  

@lotusblack Very cool! I would love to see that countertop. 👍


   
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Topic starter 14/10/2022 10:12 pm  

@lotusblack and @fuantiques,

You both have given me great ideas.  I will certainly try some samples.  And I agree the color is a problem BUT it is only 1/8th" or so.

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Topic starter 14/10/2022 10:37 pm  

My other robin's egg brush washer.

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15/10/2022 10:02 am  

@lotusblack Sounds lovely, I would love to see it too, if you kept photo of the project result, but not if it is not ready to hand and requires digging through papers.


   
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15/10/2022 10:07 am  

@musicnus A beautiful piece!


   
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15/10/2022 10:29 am  

Robin’s egg glaze is one of my favorites.  The glaze effects changed from its invention in the early 18th to the late 19th century.  Below is a close up of the glaze in the early 18th century.

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Topic starter 15/10/2022 11:30 am  

@william,

Thanks for that 18th century photo - I must admit I haven't seen the comparison before.  It is interesting that in my piece (assuming 19th century) the small "bubbles" seems to me a more overall pleasant look.  Compared to the DannD photo of above.

But, I really like them all.  But, I wish there was a comparison of the "colors".  Probably difficult without the same lighting.  If you google "sotheby robin's egg" or go to pinterest there are lots of samples in one place.

One more Question.  Does the color on the inside of my brush washer give any indication of the date?

David Coles


   
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@musicnus 

I have seen it on other late 19th century examples.  I think it was done in the early 20th century too.

https://www.bukowskis.com/fi/auctions/613/658-a-robins-egg-glazed-brush-washer-qing-dynasty-1644-1912


   
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