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So I pulled my Yuan/Ming Longquan celadon vase out of storage and the internal construction is Identical with the edges running up the wall. This is what I was referring too.
Are the ridges slightly concaved like a groove made from a fingertip, and spiraling up from the bottom?
That's what they are: Grooves left by the potter's fingertip as they thinned the walls of the vase by applying pressure from the inside. They started at the bottom and worked their way up as they shaped the vase, this the spiraling lines.
Terrible description, but I hope it makes sense!
I have a similar vase. I wrongfully thought it was Ming when I bought it. It's definitely Jun-type glaze. I have seen about five of these vases all included in Japanese sales so I think they are probably Chinese made for export to Japan. I also concluded they are most likely Shiwan ware or from some other kiln also making Jun ware but which I forgot the name of.
Interesting in my research I came across a site selling modern copies of these vases which the said were copies of an ancient vase in a museum but they didn't say which museum unfortunately.
I don't know how old they are.
@avatar interesting. I sent it off to Peter I’ll let’s you know what he says. What made you decide it wasn’t Ming? Do you mind showing me your example?
I haven't got any pictures available and the vase is packed for storage. But let's wait and see what Peter has got to say. I'm very curious...
I just wanted to redirect everyone's eyes from the rim and interior to the strange double foot rim (or whatever it actually is).
That does not resemble anything I have seen on antique Chinese ceramics, and in one of my earlier posts, I posted photos of monochrome miniature vases with unsual matte glazes in the Song style that were purchased in Japan in the 1970's and 80's.
I'm getting the same vibe from this vase.
@greeno107 Tim I agree and disagree. I agree this could be Japanese or 1980 I don’t know but there are some good signs of age. Where I disagree is that antique Chinese vases don’t have the carved rings at the foot for a glaze stop. I seen several vases listed as Jun and Longquan with this feature one is even on Peters site for foot bases.
@lotusblack Maybe I'm wrong, but I think these feet show something quite different.
Let's compare....
The left is your vase which to my eyes shows the slip stopping just above a dark line, followed by a light line, then a dark line, and followed by another light line (what I think is the actual foot rim). There appears to be two or even three levels to your foot rim.
On the Longquan vase, which I think is Yuan, I see a white area which is thinning of the glaze as it goes over the large foot rim, followed by a dark area of green that appears to be pooling of the green glaze on the sides of the large foot rim, followed by unglazed foot rim.
I don't think there is actually any segmentation to the Yuan foot rim...it's just very thick (as typical for Yuan), and the manner of the glaze pooling has created the appearance of a ring of dark green just above the unfinished foot.
I don't think this is what is happening with your vase as it appears your glaze stops before it reaches the dark lines above the foot.
Or, am I seeing it wrong?
Here's a clear photo taken from Christie's of a Yuan Longquan jar... I think this illustrates what I was describing and how it differs from your vase.
@greeno107 interesting I’m not sure I’m totally following but also feel a closeup is necessary. The glaze was trapped by the ring. It is an usually foot rim.
@lotusblack That photo is very helpful. So, what I'm trying to say is that the longquan vase you referenced that you felt had a similar ribbed foot, in my opinion, does not actually have a ribbed foot...I think it is a trick of the manner that the glaze pooled on the large Yuan foot.
Of course, I could be wrong, but look at the comparison one more time. With your vase, the bluish glaze mostly stops above the two distinctly carved ribs of the foot. Yes, I do see some glaze trapped in the ribbing as you show very clearly in the close up.
However, in the longquan vase, I think the differences in color are purely due to the thinning of the glaze at the top of the foot (whitish ring), and a thick pooled edge as the glaze stopped before the unglazed foot rim (near black ring). I do not think there is any carved ribbing.
Now that you've posted such a clear photo of the glaze, let me say that is very beautiful, but I think how the glaze comes to the foot is very modern.
That said...I know almost nothing of these early wares and I wish you the best of luck and that I am wrong.
@greeno107 I’m not really interested to much if it’s old or new because it was $15 buck it being old is a bonus but I don’t buy things purely because of age I buy things that I find beauty. This vase is that so at $14 bucks it’s a win. Even if someone said it’s late Qing I wouldn’t put much stock into the dating.
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