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Hey all,
So I was up in Cape Cod this past week and saw this auction and was absolutely blown away by the price achieved on this covered vase/ Jar... To me it looked off, the mark just wasn't up to the standards I have learned to accept as Kangxi, and the foot didn't look right to me either, the cobalt was a bit washed out.... I just was hoping for some clarification, as perhaps I misunderstand the intricacies of mark and period Kangxi porcelain.
Can anyone offer their opinion on if this is mark and period, and if so is there something I am missing?
Jeremy
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/105643880_chinese-blue-and-white-porcelain-covered-jar-19th
I can't see the sold price. What did it go for? It looks like the auction house described it as 19th C.
Oh I am sorry I didn't think of that. $160,000, with the buyers premium just over $200,000.
@jbeer2121 Wow. Okay, I guess people decided it was mark and period. I'm not seeing it either, but maybe some more experienced folks will chime in with their opinions. Hopefully for the buyers sake it's the real deal.
I am just grateful I am not the only one... jeez, I hope for the buyer's sake, but I just couldn't understand it.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 Well, I got a vase with a Kangxi mark too. Maybe it's time to auction it!
Looks like a splendid Kangxi mark and period piece…. Potentially for imperial use!
Perfect example of how artistry trumps the technical assessment of authenticity.
Not being able to handle it, it is reasonable to say there are components of its construction, mark, and color that might not perfectly line you with our expectations of Kangxi mark & period work (although I don’t see any of these issues in the photos).
HOWEVER, just look at this design, form, and presence!
HOLY GUACAMOLE! This is one fantastic piece!
Such restraint is oooohhh so rare in Kangxi wares.
The sale price is high you say? I say…. Look for it at Sotheby’s or Christie’s next year! Bet you it brings 2-3x’s that!
Another thing I was wondering, it is painted extremely well... it is beautiful, but I feel that the mark is just off... am I wrong to think that the marks of the period should be perfect? I just seems slightly sloppy. but more-so the color seemed "thin". I am glad you answered, I feel that I just lack the connoisseurship.
I feel like I get it with certain things, they are more cut and dry, the execution on the vase is fantastic, but I guess I have learned to have doubts, early american furniture it turns out, my eye is spot on. I got confirmation this morning that I have found, possibly, the earliest piece of Maryland made furniture on record, when I laid eyes on it I "knew". Chinese pieces, I see exquisite execution, and wonderful form, and yet in my head I have doubts...
Thanks
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 I just watched Peter's weekly video and he addresses this sale in the beginning of the video. Go check it out. Several experts have previously looked at this vase, including him, and they all feel it is 19th C.
I wish there was an easy way to describe how I felt about it but is just didn't seem right. I have handled a number of pieces that just felt right and this one didn't for me... don't get me wrong I think it is extraordinarily well painted but its just off in my gut.
Jeremy
It is a gorgeous piece of porcelain. I've only seen photos, and I trust other expert opinions more than my own rudimentary knowledge. But the foot rim does not look 17th c. more 19th. Glaze color is nice and does appear to be consistent with 18th c. examples. A beautiful pot, but I would not have paid more than 800.00 for it 😉. I will like to see how it does in the future. Provenance guarantees the piece will appreciate, but at the price they paid, that is a lot of appreciation. Wow! I'm with johnshoe. Maybe time to break out and sell the 19th C. revival pieces. JT
@jbeer2121 Well you are in good company, as it left Peter scratching his head too.
@jbeer2121 So, I took a much closer look at the auction photos. There are two aspects that may have persuaded many that the piece is 19th c., but I am still just fine with early Kangxi.
Here are the concerns lending to 19th c.:
1- Hollow lines.
There is real controversy over hollow blue lines are indicative of 19th c. works, but I have seen a few examples of 18th c. Yongzheng and Qianlong marks that appear similarly hollow as this Kangxi mark. There’s no consensus that Hollie lines only exist in the late 19th c.
2 - Blue seems a bit off-dull. I attribute this to mostly being an early Kangxi piece that may have used domestic cobalt, which was less vibrant and comes out looking a bit black/grey. Also, certain light makes the blue look less vibrant when photographed. Best to view in direct sunlight if you want to see the cobalt pop.
Setting aside the decor, this is the clincher for me:
Look at the thin application of slip on this inner cover, amazingly white semi porous (pig’s hair) texture that swirls with how the potter formed the top.
19th c. covers seem to lack this degree of care…the inner covers were not paid much attention.
So, if this is 19th c, it must have been made with extreme care, perhaps for Daowager Cixi, which would make it valuable, too!
Now…as always, since I’m not privey to have physically handled it, everything I’ve said could be completely wrong - this is a photo assessment. However, I notice red ink that resembles what could have been an inventory number from a museum collection.
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