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Hello All, I am looking for some feedback on this bowl. It is so flippin pretty. Measures 8.75 inches diameter x 3 inches tall. Rim barely shows under magnification a faint hairline about an inch long. Don't know if I could get it in the pics; it is very faint, and the photos are over lit. Enamels are good. No chips or other issues. Soft flaws only other than the faint hairline. JT
Without looking at comparative examples, I suspect 19th c. due to the manner of the inside decoration with the brocade pattern around the inner rim, and perhaps the center medallion.
Very nicely rendered. Beautiful!
If the foot rim is silky smooth with no indication of rust due to iron in the paste, and if you see a halo around the blue enamel, then it would be worth further scrutiny about possibly being Kangxi period.
Dear Greeno, sorry to say that Birgit is right, no chances for being Kangxi.
The best possibility for your bowl is Republic, but I have doubts also about that.
I would expect a better quality of the drawing for a nice Republic piece. Birds and leaves should be better, and the decoration not so crowd, and not so up to the rim.
It really has a Republic look, but I will be surprised if it is.
Regards,
Giovanni
Who knows? Maybe it was made a few years back and had rice eaten out of it for a couple years. I would like to see some comparable examples that your drawing from in your store of knowledge. I have no true idea how old the bowl is and only really want to know so I can learn and be accurate in flipping my merchandise. I buy right. If something turns out to be authentic, great. If not, with the price I purchase at, the worst that can happen is I break even. I never get out over my skies. I know how good repros can be, and I even buy them if the price is right. Repros still sell and sell quite well. However, in this field, it is always best to check what you have as opposed to flipping something potentially valuable for pennies on the dollar, because then I would be on the opposite end of where I live. I'm the guy who pays pennies on the dollar for potentially valuable objects, not vice versa.
Honestly though, this bowl sure looks older than 20th C. for sure. If it is not, great measures have been taken to add age characteristics to this porcelain. I think Peter should use this example to teach about famille verte copies if it is modern. Because I am quite sure that others would mis judge this very easily also. My only advantage is that I can hold it and assess under magnification. Of course, wear can be artifically induced and copiers do a fantastic job, so....the jury is out. How old is the famille verte bowl??? The world may never know; unless, someone who knows should teach us.
Will be posting more shortly. Sincerely, and much love and appreciation to all. JT
@loveli4236 To my eyes the bowl looks likely to be made more recently. There is a certain sheen to the enamels, particularly the greens, that have a candied look that I associate with newer pieces. I have bought some that I had hoped were older but turned out not to be, and this reminds me of them. I think it would be interesting to hear what Peter would have to say about this bowl.
@clayandbrush It is not my bowl, and I said it was 19th c, not Kangxi, so we are at least in partial agreement, but for different reasons.
Jamie - the quality of the rendering is good in my opinion, but Giovanni has a point about the crowded nature of the decoration. However, these type of assessments are difficult to interpret without comparable examples (as you’ve pointed out in your response).
However, there are physical characteristics that differentiate Kangxi porcelain from later.
The most easily identifiable is the foot rim. Kangxi foot rims are smooth as baby skin and the paste has no iron, so any rust color is indicative of later period.
I’m not able to handle your bowl, but based upon what I see, your bowl will not pass these two criteria.
Compare to these Kangxi bowls which are quite close in manner.
Here is a similar water pot…. You can see the Kangxi water pot is sharper in rendering and the scene is more spacious.
That said, I standby your bowl being 19th c.
It definitely has some kind of ageing. It looks legit. There is something that is kind of puzzling to me. I swear the interior decoration looks different than the decoration on the outside. I may be totally wrong, but it sure looks different. I hope studying porcelain won't make me fit for bedlam. JT
I think you forgot to upload a pic of the wine pot. At least, I've not been able to view it. JT
Here’s the link to the water pot
https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2020/china-5000-years-hk0953/lot.582.html
Hi JT,
It's a nice looking bowl/dish.
However, I believe Giovanni and Johnshoe are correct here. It's a modern interpretation based on a republican look/feel to it.
The base/footrim is odd. It's fully rounded on one side. The other cut/flat. It's very stark white which to me indicates a modern piece along with other features etc.
Mark
Dear Jamie,
I realize that I did call you Greeno, sorry, my mistake.
I remain with my opinion, but I must say that I agree with you about the different inside. That is really different from the outside, and closer to the Kangxi originals. That make me undecided at the beginning, but there too something is not convincing. In my opinion it is a recent copy, there are many things that are not fitting.
What do you mean by “How old is the famille verte bowl??? The world may never know”? Are you referring to your bowl or to famille verte in general? If the latter, then it is known when famille verte started.
Regards,
Giovanni
My first instinct was 19th c, because of the flowers and no sign of fritting despite other wear, but I had a 19th c vase with similar colours and it was nothing like as shiny, could be lighting? I am tending towards it being a copy, not least because one side is so crowded.
Is there a blue tint to the glaze? It looks like it on the base but maybe that is a photo-issue.
Also, has some of the green enamel bubbled on the underside near the base.
Neither of those questions may mean anything, but I am interested. 😊
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