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Thanks Mark,I appreciate it.
Vic
Hi Birgit,
I was just thinking this morning about how there seems to be a lot more fake 18th c. style export blue and white wares posted on Ebay these days.
One that caught my attention is a large platter. They seem to have done a very good job at recreating the rustic back and the frits on the rim. The photos are not high resolution (probably by design) and you have to look at it for a minute to really see how it is wrong for an 18th c. example and how the pattern is transferred.
I like to browse Ebay occasionally but I haven't seen anything I'm interested for a reasonable price for months and months.
Regards,
Steve
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Ebay is good for buying just not so good for sellers. I have had problems with China/Hong Kong with items vanishing in customs. All have been packages sent EBay global. It’s hard to be a great seller when the system is fixed and trust me it is. You can do everything right and still loose money and ranking. I truly believe if the system was to be corrected you would see better products.
I'm going to New England next month, actually. I'll be in Salem and might reach out to see if I can make an appointment to see the Combs' showroom in Gloucester (if they have one). I'm afraid I might spend too much but it would be worth it. Will definitely hit the antique stores!
Hmm. I doubt those 215 customers were really expecting something older than a few months. Either that or they're 215 of his closest friends.
I find that shop - and other sellers in China peddling "old" things - very handy for seeing what fakers are up to these days; I am now warned that those platters are among the counterfeited.
@steve The back looks very off and the porcelain colour and shape look off, however imo, the front of the plate is very convincing, how on earth would they have done this, is it a print? It is very sad how convincing the fakes can be...I hope they never fake Mandrin and Famille rose to the point where you cannot tell the difference, then my collection will be impossible to ever sell.
Hi Paula,
You can buy with absolute confidence from @shine. I have purchased from him before. Good packing. Fast service!
Mark
I agree @shine is a wonderful seller. 😍 😍 😍 😍
For some insane reason Shine gave me a beautiful 'soft paste' qianlong bowl for next to nothing imo 🙂 so happy with it and so can confirm the packaging is really out of this world. Thank you @shine I have that bowl safe and secure in my display cabinet.
🤗
In fact latley people are just giving me really lovely stuff.
A friendly collector called Joe gave me 2 of these plates for less than £20 each.
Daoguang period 1830
They have a crack which is why he wanted them gone but still wow they are beautiful and good quality. People are crazt..no offence Shine 🙂
Hi Short,
It's telling that the photos they post are so small. I noticed that there are some streaks that run through the pattern in one of the details, a sign of transfer printing. Plus, I'm sure if you were able to handle it in person you'd be able to tell right away. Besides that, the overall image and border pattern seem off for some reason and poorly designed; you'd think if they were going to create a transfer design they would try to make it look of higher quality. Last year I bought what I thought was a blue and white export small bowl from the 18th c. only to discover when it arrived that it was new and transfer printed; I didn't pay much and I kind of like it so I didn't complain. But when you look closely you can't see any brush strokes and instead splotchy areas are apparent.
It's funny you should mention the back being easy to spot; I had the opposite reaction. If I just saw a photo of the back (and I didn't know the seller was in China) I might have been fooled; to me it seems about the right color. Maybe the scratches are a little emphatic but it looks an awful lot like the two 18th c. platters I own. (See photo of the back of the larger one.) Although, again, if I were able to handle it in person there might be a lot more giveaway signs.
Regards,
S
@steve So the front is transfer printed. They are using an old traditional style of transfer print? or modern digital. The back looked very unconvincing to me, as it is too thick along the edges of the rear unglazed base, also there is no grain in the unglazed and the colour and consistency of the unglazed is off.
Now that i think about it, the plate in question has a porcelain rim they have covered over and that is why it is not smooth and low, so they had to fill it and it looks obvious now i think about it.
Good question about what kind of transfer technology they are using; I have no idea.
Not sure I understand your points about the back; I'll keep studying and comparing and thinking about what you wrote. One thing that does stand out to me is the crease that runs around the back; in authentic examples there is no crease but an uninterrupted slope from the edge to the bottom unglazed part.
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