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this large vase is currently online here in switzerland the bidding starts at 550 Dollars
however i think its a late 19 cent to early 20th cent copy what do other members think size 52 cm high.
regards martin
Agree with you about age. A nice vase though the starting price seems a bit high. Do they offer it as Qianlong? With a rubber stamp?
Birgit
I agree, too, with the dating. It is very large, but still a high starting price.
Sorry I didn’t realize it was that large. In this case the price is not exaggerated.
Birgit
@weboy
Hi Martin -
Not really my area but concur with Birgit, Julia and yourself re attributed dating ...
The base glaze appears to be ‘rippled/crinkled’ which, I believe, is an indication of such dating - although this may be the images ...
Also agree, the starting price appears rather high for such a piece ...
Stuart
@shinigami nope its offered as antique chinese vase . thougth the shabby paper label on the bottom does lead to the jungle of missinterpretations.
I'm loving the torn Qianlong label! These fakers are hilarious. I'm not so sure it isn't a bit newer, perhaps early PROC or even more recent. I have a piece from that time frame that Peter dated for me and it has very similar orange peel. But that's just my hunch and the others are far more experienced so they are probably more likely correct in their dating. Either way, I don't think I'd buy it for that price.
@ming1449 Well if it is 1921 or older then it is not misleading, dare I ask, "orange peel" in the good way Stuart? Sharon
It is for sure stenciled as said also by Greeno,
I call this type of vases as rubbish, sorry to be blunt, and I like to date them as "a couple of days before yesterday".
I would not like this type of vase even as a gift, because it would go directly to the garage.
Blunt, sorry, but it is the truth.
In my view for this type of vases, I do disagree to whom say that they are nice decorative vases. Why decorative, if it is trying to look, or recall, what it is not? If who made the vase asked to his four years old grandchild to decorate it, then it would surely have much more artistic value. Which artistry has a stenciled poor imitation of something old? Really nothing to me.
Regards,
Giovanni
@clayandbrush Careful, now everyone will be sorting through your trash bin the day after Christmas. Sharon
@clayandbrush Giovannni, your comments bring me great joy. I just thought you should know. Cheers! John
@weboy
Hi Martin -
I defer to Mark's, Greeno and Giovannis far greater experience in such wares - clearly, I was wrong ...
The 'rippled/crinkled' base is an indication of a mid/late 20th date - and, I understand, an effect caused be electric kiln firing ...
Stuart
I love Giovanni! He gives an honest opinion and in the case of an item up for auction, a potentially valuable bit of advice for anyone looking to place a bid. His honest manner could be a bit more difficult for someone to hear if it was a an item they owned. But I have noticed that Giovanni approaches those cases with more sensitivity, appropriately.
For me, when an item is intentionally trying to deceive, it is ruined for me. I get a bit of a sick feeling about it. So, I agree with Giovanni. They should be shattered on the floor. If the exact same vase had a clearly modern base, with no attempt to deceive, I would feel differently. It would then be a nice decorative piece for someone...not for someone with an experienced eye, like Giovanni...but for a person unfamiliar with truly great antique porcelain, who just thinks its pretty for their individual taste.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
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