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Hello All,
I have this old food jar. It had an ugly stain that ran around the center of the jar. The top was stained as well. No amount of scrubbing, soaking in bleach made improvement. I decide to soak in water and add false teeth cleaning tablets. I left over night. See photo's for results. I think now looks a bit to new. The second photo shows how it looks now.
I think it is fine. It has very sloping shoulders. How old is it?
Best wishes,
Julia
Julia,
Thanks for your reply. Not real sure on age. Have seen similar jars on ebay claiming to be transitional between Ming and Ch'ing. Think that is a bit optimistic for mine. Hope it is 19th century. Will be uploading some food jars to a different topic in the next week or so will show the base and we will see what everybody thinks.
Thanks for your reply Watership. Nothing was lost I did check on it a few times whilst it was soaking. Would only use this method on under glaze painting. I used two tablets. I used to dig for old bottles and learned this trick from that. I have read many posts in this forum that people don't like dirty bases etc. So thought would share this.
Cheers.
Michael
You should NEVER use bleach/chlorine on porcelain, as it will destroy it.
Use Hydrogen peroxide if you need to remove stains.
http://www.morninggloryantiquescollect.com/cleaning-stained-or-dirty-pottery-and-china/
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Very good advice lluvator thank you. Human false teeth cleaner does not contain chlorine/ bleach. It mainly contains carbonated peroxide, citric acid and oxegenators. Hydrogen Peroxide is on the banned list of chemicals for sale to the general public in Australia, since the terror problems made themselves part of our lives.
Cheers
Michael
Hi Michael:
I concuer that the cleaned up version looks much better. I like old Chinese items to have some evidence of age, but actual dirt is not the same as a patina of age. Peter has promised to post a video on how to make hairline cracks less evident and possibly he might include some general remarks on what materials are safe and not safe to use. He has often made the point that Windex should be avoided on any item with gilt since that is the best way to strip gilt from the object. One fairly prominent auctioneer of Chinese antiques on eBay often makes the general comment that an item could do with some cleaning. When I inquired what they recommended I was told they just put that in as a disclaimer to avoid complaints. I too would very much like to know what is safe to use on porcelains, but I'm too afraid to even go there now. However, you have started a useful thread and I look forward to other contributions.
Best regards,
Errol
Hi Michael,
you did a good cleaning job there. The items were clean when they were first sold, so why should we leave them dirty? Laundry detergent works also quite well to remove the dust and dirt of the centuries.
As Errol has asked about hairlines, here's a link to a description I gave earlier: https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/main-forum/restore-hairline-crack-on-porcelain#post-9110
Birgit
Birgit
Thanks Birgit:
This sounds like a lot of work though and possibly involves a degree of expertise greater than I have. I have only one item with a very faint hairline crack located on the inside of the rim of a yenyen vase. I only see it if I look into the vase which does not happen often. However, I have copied your suggested remedy and will keep it in my files in case I ever find something that has a more obvious hairline crack and which I feel I nonetheless would still like to own. I think these wonderful Chinese items need to be cherished and preserved. Porcelains that have survived almost intact the vicissitudes of hundreds of years of often turbulent change need to be venerated and treated with great respect. I see myself, as I'm sure others do, as just a temporary custodian!
Kind regards!
Errol
Errol,
Thanks for your interesting reply
Cheers
Michael
Birgit,
Thanks for your rely and the good tips.
Cheers
Michael
I'm sorry that HP is banned in OZ. Is it really not possible to buy at the chemist "active oxigen 6% for disinfection of cuts and grazes or stain remover for clothes in the washing machine? These are both HP. Weak but work. All useful info folks. Thanks.
Dear all,
some times ago I started a thread on Gotheborg about my way of cleaning hairlines.
But first, let say that I agree with Erroll and Shinigami: the first thing that I do when I return home with a new purchase is to clean it thoroughly. Dirty is dirty, patina and sign of time are other things. I do this knowing that if the piece is for resale, it may be unfavorable because a lot of people associates dirty with age. In some cases to me too the piece, after cleaned, did look newer than before, but nevertheless I always do it. In Museums the pieces are never dirty, they are brought at its best possible stage.
Well, what I do is to simply sunk the item in water at ambient temperature, with a modern dishwasher, enzyme powered, detergent. Today almost all dishwashers contain enzymes. It is important not to heat the water, it must be cold, at ambient temperature.
Let the piece submerged in water through one night and then check it visually. The dirty may be already completely gone, or just looks lighter. You can let it more time, if necessary for more days, renewing water and detergent. Usually one or two days are enough.
Then, I take out the piece that still is lightly dirty and with a water pressure teeth cleaner I spray the water jet directly on the hairline. The dirty disappear completely.
Be aware that this works very well in the majority of cases, but in some case it does really nothing. It evidently depends from the nature of the dirty. If it is organic, it works.
Very easy. The final cleaning I do with demineralized water, then let dry and fix the hairline with very low viscosity cyanoacrylate.
I am adding here a picture of the back of a Kraak dish, where you can see the break before and after the cleaning. I let the staples in place because they are part of the history of the dish.
Giovanni
I forgot to say that the only point that may not be well accepted by anyone is that the foot too becomes very white, as you can see in the picture above. I can understand those who thinks so, but after all if it becomes white it means that the dark color were exclusively dirty, not original.
Giovanni
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