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Hi Steve,
Thank you for posting and subsequent test.
Sadly your box appears to be resin. Interesting though your Gansha turned red. It's obviously resin.
I suspect that it's been heavily coated in a substance similar to cinnabar. First I have seen this. Very interesting to view the lengths the makers will go.
When buying cinnabar objects it's imperative that you be able to use your trusty friend. The 10x loupe. No matter how high grade the item may be there will be signs of multiple production etc.
Personally I would be very reluctant to purchase cinnabar from eBay or auctions unless of course it's from a reputable source.
Thank you for sharing.
Mark
You're welcome, Mark. It was inexpensive and I like it (and so will my friend who I am gifting it too) so if it's not hand carved that's fine.
If you were able to see the photos clearly you would see what I am seeing: no bubbles but instead signs of blades, sharp details, and layers of resin. Nothing like my Ganesha. So, to be frank, I am skeptical of the acetate test at this point.
I submitted it for appraisal to Peter and will let you know what he says.
Respectfully,
-Steve
The fake cinnabar can be done at a very convincing level. They fake the carving marks, etc, on the good ones. I sent pictures to Peter of one I bought awhile back and he had the sad job of informing me I had a piece of plastic. Live and learn. He told me that they began copying some of the Imperial cinnabar back in the mid-20th C and that he has seen some of those reproductions and they are extraordinary. So, I suppose hot pins and nail polish remover is a must if there is any question, because the artistic rendering can be quite good. John
Thanks, John. Good to know. As stated earlier, I didn't pay much for it and I don't collect it.
This box looks like a mediocre late 19th century box. If in making a fake they attempt to look like a lower-priced item, that seems strange to me.
Yes, you're right.
I'm pretty sure it's an old box: the inside and back have a little crackling and signs of age. Anyway, I know this sounds like confirmation bias coming from me, the owner. It's an amazing example of moulding if it isn't carved.
You were right, of course.
Here is what Peter said:
Hi Steve,
At least it's an old example. Excellent for study purposes on how they made them during the Republic period. Not like the junk they make today.
The higher-end ones made from the same period are very difficult to determine by way of pictures.
Mark
It's Republic repro - sounds better than just plain "fake". 🙂
I am impressed by the technique, and my friend will love it I'm sure. It's still good looking.
@loveli4236 That is a pretty box, I am not sure of the age on cinnabar, I did the nail polish acetone test on a vase that did have the red, but I remember Tam replying that the Chinese had combined materials for a time that featured some genuine mixed with other materials on some pieces. Well, so I definitely know my piece had some cinnabar. Too involved and since I never sell anything, it is not critical for me.
Hi Jamie,
It certainly looks to be a genuine example and probably from the 19th century. Nicely carved.
I see evidence of small chips that reveal a whitish substance. This is normal for some cinnabar products. If it were resin there would be no natural cracks nor would it be easy to chip. The chipped area on resin would in all likelihood be the same colour.
Also has what appears to be a old repair.
Mark
I don't know the age but it's lovely! It's redder than my example.
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