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Hi all,
Not sure if this hatstand is modern...wouldn’t be surprised if it is. If it is new, I will probably put it near the front door and use it for umbrellas. I remember Peter saying that the faces are important. These drawings don’t seem too bad to me....but I don’t really know. Maybe Charles is around to interpret the writing. Or is this a Japanese piece? But then again, even if the writing says one thing, if it is a modern repro...that writing is meaningless. So many questions...
oh, its 19” tall.
Thanks
take it with a grain of salt
Hi Watership,
this stand is perfect to keep your umbrellas in. The faces, the colors, the style of painting, the very white and shiny surface - everything dates to a recent manufacture.
Birgit
Hello watership
i have this fish bowel which was done in the 30 or 40 with the same painting style
you can find the style in 1900 to 2000 date porcelain www.watersilkdragon.wordpress.com
John
Dear John,
the similarity of your pot to the above hat stand is astonishing. However to me both look rather modern. I have searched the Whatersilk Dragon site as well as the connected Gotheborg site but couldn't find a painting style like this. There's a lot of material so I might have overlooked it. Could you please give a screenshot where you found something comparable?
Best regards
Shinigami
Birgit
Hello,shinigami
If you go to the date porcelain and go to 1930 you start to see the same style of paintings look at some of
the bottom how they show no signs of ware look and after about 1950 the painting start to change.
!the lady i bought mine form pick her up in the thirties. Ruby lanes antique has a fish pot like mine
they're asking 1300 for. john
Wow, I’m shocked by this fish pot. They are one and the same. The painting is 95% convincing...but the calligraphy pushes it to 100%. I had to study the two very hard to determine that the calligraphy wasn’t an exact copy. These were done by the same hand. John, that link is an amazing tool. I don’t know how I’ve missed it up until now. Another bookmark, in a long collection, but this one is near the top.
So, there is disagreement, that is exciting. I can say that although the piece I have looks shiny and new, the quality of the painting is quite good...at least to my amateurish eyes. And there has been absolutely no attempt to make it look older than it is, which I like. Modern and honest is always preferable. The moment I realize there have been attempts to artificially age a piece, my stomach goes south and I lose all interest.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hello,Todd
yes if you look at lot of the pieces in water silk site there are quite many that look like they
have not been used. I have look at piece in some highin collection from Ming and earlier in collection that doesn't
always show age sign to me it how they were taking care of. I watched a video of this English
man and his collection he wash and care for them some were Ming he show the bottom
they look new. So you can't always judge a book bye it's cover so keep looking and learning.
All we can do. John
Hi John,
I have to agree, some of the items on the site have lots of shine and very little wear, considering they are approaching 100 years old. But what gives me major doubt, is that my piece, your piece, and the piece on rubylane are all clearly produced by the same maker, and yet all three are in quite pristine condition. They should be in varying condition, no?
Best, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi,
I would have expected varying condition however, there may be an argument that if they were bought as tourist items, then they were never used but if that were a valid argument, would those items be more likely to date to the 70s onwards? Just a thought.
I think the faces might fit for a 1930s date but I am not convinced, as they all look to be more recent. When did porcelains start having that inward lip? I would also look at the colours and the way things are depicted in the painting. I don't think that is a hat stand, either, more of a hall vase for walking sticks or umbrella stand; when did they start mass-producing those? Why are there no marks on the bases?
Anyway, sorry for all the questions, I find these things interesting and tend to ramble! I would also say though, that in my inexpert opinion, Ruby Lane is an expensive place to shop!
Have a good day!
Julia
Hi Julia,
Haha, yes, rubylane in this case may be sharply overpriced. I was going to say I agree with everything you said, but then I realized that I don’t have the expertise to agree or disagree with most of it. Let’s just say, it sounds right to me. 🙂
Best, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Thanks, but neither do I! Almost falling off my chair laughing! ?
Dear Todd and John,
please excuse my tenacity, but I'm still not convinced. Below are some pictures from Watersilk from the 30s and 40s. Sorry for the low quality, they come from the website this way. To me the faces look rather different than on your pieces.
Also the glaze is too smooth and shiny. At least in my experience only modern pieces have that mirrorlike gloss. I have two dated vases from 1929 and one from the 1950s and the surface, although in perfect condition, is not that glossy. There are always minuscule irregularities that break the light. I think these extremely smooth surfaces have nothing to do with mint condition, they are just a sign of modern production.
Of course I might be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, so maybe we could have some experts opinion on this?
Birgit
Hello,all
at one time I was thinking that Samson made these he painted in this style
The lady i bought my form was not a seller she was in her 80+ if you look at
l fish bowls you find that style in earlier periods but not later that I have found.
and if they ware later you see lot more of them mine reminds me of a spittoon.
I ran across one in this shape from early 1800 I see it I can find again and post it
John
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