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seems not unusual but quite usual
It's a very nice bowl.
Pity about the breakage.
Not 100% sure but I believe it's around the Guangxu period.
Mark
@imperialfinegems thanks Mark there seems to be some confusion on if it’s Chinese but Japanese but the reasoning is due to three claw dragon but I’m have issues with Japanese due to the foot and overall shape points to Chinese.
Those two additional pictures certainly look very Japanese.
May be made by a Japanese artist working in China at the time.
The footrim certainly looks Chinese rather than Japanese.
Interesting scenario here... Now I am a little bit stumped here. But still think it's Chinese.
Japanese dragons tend to be much more aggressive than Chinese in their facial features.
I have seen numerous Japanese porcelain depicting 5 claw dragons.
Mark
@imperialfinegems I am getting a lot of kickbacks from the Japanese collectors they say no Japanese repair would use staples it’s an insult. lol plus they said the enamels are definitely not Japanese colors. Another mystery piece. It was said this is not unusual but usual? But no one knows what it is. Another mystery piece.
Yes I forgot to remember that I have never seen staple repairs before on Japanese porcelain.
Mark
Hi Brian, Mark and all -
A very intriguing piece ...
The overall painting style, especially that seen on the desending phoenix and to a lesser extent, the three clawed dragon, seems more Japanese then Chinese ...
But not really my area, and I could well be wrong - a mystery piece indeed ...
There is a Song/Yuan Longquan bowl, with exceptional provenance, that has very old Chines stapled repairs and is now classified as a Japanese National Treasure ...
Stuart
That's funny. And then you have the Chinese who seem repelled by kintsugi repairs which are completely beautiful. It's all kind of ridiculous.
@ming1449 Stuart I have read about that Song bowl it was broken by the Japanese emperor I believe during the Ming dynasty and was sent back to China asking for a replacement and the the Chinese emperor sent it back with the staple repair this is how the kinstugi repair was started. But staples are also a repair method done in Europe.
I have been looking at the Japanese origin does anyone have Ko Kutani book with enamel pictures. The bowl doesn’t really fit in a Japanese style.
I am accidentally a bit late to the discussion as I never posted what I wrote. I got distracted.
What puzzled me was the beak of the phoenix, the way the pearl has been done, the almost acrylic looking colours on the outside (lighting? My screen?) and the staples looking older than the decoration.
I thought the base looked more chinese but so do yamatoku pieces (this isn’t one) so it doesn't rule out it being japanese. Or it could be a blank sent to Japan.
I too wondered about the repair being staples but then we are assuming it was broken in Japan. It could have broken in Europe or China.
I have also looked into ko-kutani, but the decoration style and tone of colours is wrong. Same with Yoshidaya.
Sorry about saying "I" all the time but I am in a rush to finish this as being pestered by my dog wanting a walk!
My conclusion was this must be a piece of Arita, late Meiji maybe?
Nearly forgot, I did find a Japanese phoenix with a beak like that this morning.
Hi Brian, Mark and all -
For those who have not seen;
Images, description and provenance attached of the Southern Song Longquan bowl, called ‘Bakohan’ or ‘leach-track’ bowl, now in Tokyo National Museum collection.
My apologies, this piece may not be designated as a ‘National Treasure’, as I may have misinterpreted the entry from a 1976 publication.
Stuart
I had a discussion with a Chinese collector and he said the bowl is Guangxu period I asked him why he believed it was Chinese and not Japanese he told me that during the Guangxu period the black outline’s evaporated due to pigments and kiln conditions so they covered the black with glaze to prevent this where the glaze did not cover the black would evaporate like what has happened to this bowl. Has anyone heard of this?
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