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I found these three items in a thrift store yesterday. The tea pot is missing the lid. Any help would be appreciated.
The plates are printed and Japanese, the teapot probably too. I think 20th century. Sorry I can't tell you more.
Best regards,
Shinigami
Birgit
Hi Shinigami
Yes I believe you description. And thanks a lot for your reply, it was much appreciated.
The tea pot is quite nice. If I was you, I would look for a fitting lid and use it for tea.
Birgit
Yes I agree, it is very nice. I am such a newbie Shinigami, how do you distinguish between Japanese and Chinese decorations?
Hi Brynjolfur_S,
this question is a bit difficult to answer, so here is what I saw in your pieces: The most obvious is the typical Japanese decoration of the ladies with the umbrella. Also I have never seen a Chinese piece with black print, blue would be more common. Then it's the mark: one symbol above the other. Chinese marks look different. As to the tea pot: I'm not sure about this. What looks to me not Chinese, at least not traditional, are the two large birds, but I could be wrong. When you have seen many pieces you get a feeling what is Chinese and what is Japanese. Sometimes I have this feeling, sometimes it still lets me down.
Best regards
Shinigami
Birgit
Hello Brynjolfur
the plate mark are for Nippon for 1890 had to be mark come in to U.S.
And after 1920 had to be in English and made in. Noritake ship a lot porcelain between 1890
and 1920 with this mark only. The tea kettle i have to think about to me it look Chinese
with how white the porcelain look. Chinese and Japanese have been coping one another
for years early Chinese porcelain was much white than Japan.
Thank you John steward for your contribution to my discussion. I have now learned that the boarder between porcelain from Japan and China can be blurred because of copying. Meanwhile I have found the mark from the two plates on this homepage: http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/20thcenturyjapan.shtml . The letters mean Nichi Hon/ Nippon, or Japan. Regrettably they do not give any date for this mark.
The two dishes seem to be from around 1921 according to this homepage:
http://litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com/p/japanese-porcelain-marks.html
Hello
it is the one plate with girls is earlier
Yes that might be John steward. I read somewhere that it is sometimes possible to date dishes and charges roughly by the hair fashion which changed a lot each decade.
Hello,Brynjolfur
that is true it you studied the painting and form and style there hair and facial features
you can put in time frame
Dear Brynjolfur_5,
There has been some comment on your plates, but not quite as much on your teapot, so let me say just a little about that.
It's likely to be English, not oriental. What you see there in its pattern is the famous 'Willow Pattern', an English Chinoiserie invention of the later eighteenth century that proved popular throughout the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. As for its date of manufacture, it doesn't look like an eighteenth century example, but one from a later period.
Best wishes,
Alan
Ahhhhh yes, the willow pattern. One of the greatest examples of mass marketing, ever!
Thanks Alan Fletcher for your contribution to the teapot mystery. The Willow Pattern explanation does sound very likely and I for one believe it. I have learned so much from all of you that have commented on my things, thank you all, you are all amazing.
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