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Hi all:
In looking up something today on eBay I found an item suggested for me by eBay. see eBay link It is a "Buy it Now" item for only $5,250 (see attached photographs). Would anyone suggest that I put in an immediate offer and how much should that offer be?
Your advice will be appreciated.
Regards,
Errol
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I am not confident with this bowl. If you read the description it contains the wording may be 19th or 20th century.
MarkÂ
The reflection on the surface has a modern look, it’s too glossy in my opinion. The seller‘s Wanli box didn’t convince me either.
Birgit
Hi Mark and Birgit:
I just cannot believe the audacity of this type of eBay listing. Unlike some of the recent fakes that have made it on to the bidamount newsletter and that we have discussed her on the forum and that required some analysis, this bowl is clearly a contemporary production. No attempt has been made to disguise that either. They suggest it is a Yongzengh piece, but then, as Mark points out, qualify that by saying it could be from the 19th or 20th centuries. The only century that was omitted was the 21st century and the year of production which was probably 2020. The mere fact that such trash is being peddled though for $5,250 suggests that there is a market for it out there and that eBay allows this sort of thing with a nod and a wink.
I would not take this bowl if it were offered for free with free shipping!
Regards,
Errol
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Concur with Mark and Birgit - certainly not Yongzheng period ...
I will only add that the mark contains numerous stroke errors within individual characters ...
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Your original post suggests some doubt about this item , and you ask for advice, but in fact you know it's a poor fake - there are probably thousands of such items on ebay , so I don't see the point of sowing confusion like this .Â
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It gave Julia a good laugh and I think the posting was therefore very worthwhile! Also, although there are thousands of fake items on eBay,as you point out, this one struck me as particularly audacious. If a seller feels free to ask for $5,250 for what is indubitably a fake there must be people out there who are paying such large amounts of money for worthless items. I think it is worth poking fun at the Chinese art market because it has become so absurd.
Errol
Hi Errol -Â
Attached image of a small Yongzheng bowl, D. 9.5cm, the Zhuyuetang Coll, Hong Kong. The base has a four character ‘Yongzheng Nian Zhi’ mark within a double square, and is of the period ...Â
This is low fired purplish or pinkish red glaze that uses colloidal gold as its colourant, and Imperial records show this glaze type was successful fired on ceramics in 1728 ...Â
I do not know how accurate the colour of the eBay bowl images are, but the colour reproduction on this HK piece is excellent ...Â
As for your question regarding the way the mark is written, I understand that excellent copies of Qing Imperial monochrome were made from the very late 1920’s/early 1930’s which, in some cases, were very close to the originals in shape, glaze tones  and mark writing. These objects were thought to be authentic at this time, and even today are difficult to detect from images - one needs to see/handle to determine the differences ...Â
Personally, I think the eBay piece is a recent Chinese production. I do not think it is ‘ignorance’ of the mark - there are countless images of authentic YZ marks available - it just the copyists making stroke/characteristic errors when applying the mark ...
Stuart Â
Hello Stuart:
Many thanks for taking the time to write such an informative reply. I know that colors are difficult on computer screens. However, the color of the bowl in your image is very different from that of the eBay bowl even allowing for photographic technique and computer monitor differences. Also, there are some irregularities of color application around the foot in the HK bowl that speak to a genuine item and that are lacking in the eBay bowl that looks like a mass-produced item. It would seem from what you say that the manufacturers of the eBay bowl were just sloppy given the wide availability of the Yongzengh mark. Perhaps, they have a daily quota of these bowls to produce for eBay customers! It's fascinating that the pinkish red glaze uses colloidal gold as the colorant. Given the rarity of genuine Yongzengh bowls of this color, I assume that $5,250 would be a bargain price for a genuine bowl of this type.
Regards and many thanks,
ErrolÂ
Dear Erroll,
like Styuart, since the beginning I found the color of that bowl completely off, and I would like to say that it is not matter of pictures, because the white is white, without dominants so the rendition of colors is quite good.
Regards,
Giovanni
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Dear Giovanni:
Thank you. What started as a somewhat flippant post has turned into something quite informative. As you point out, the eBay bowl color is totally wrong compared with the genuine bowl that Stuart has illustrated.
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Errol
Hi Errol -
The price quoted would indeed be an ‘absolute steal’ - if it were genuine ...
Authentic YZ examples in good condition would be expected to achieve UK£100,000 at auction and, if the piece had proven documented provenance and/or had been exhibited, considerable more ...
StuartÂ
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