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Greetings to All, I got this example recently. You are viewing the same photos I viewed when I decided to purchase. I was skeptical on the piece at first, but after serious consideration, my mind began to change. This was due to glaze texture, color and, also, paste color and consistency. These seem consistent with know 19th C. examples. I did not like the (what appears to be) smearing of the iron red, or the junky looking reign mark. Nevertheless, the early 20th C. overglaze red export back stamp may possibly indicate a genuine Guangxu piece that was exported a few decades later. May I get some opinions on it thanks and please. Sincerely, JT
For the record… might be late 19th c. (red China mark)but honestly…. Is this a good example of late 19th c. wucai work?
No.
I think maybe that China mark isn't an export mark it is there to make you feel that this is genuinely over a 100 years old and that this poor Ming replica was actually deliberately made as a replica but is still an antique in its own right.
I think it is not good quality and even if it is 19th c, I wouldn't give it house room. I can see the foot rim isn't too bad but that style of blue mark reminds me of those that appear in the later 20th c and why the odd wear to the red in places and the strange worn out black bits on the yellow.
My post looks weird, I wonder if I hit something. Apologies for deleting the first, it just made more sense to re-write it. 😊
@julia Happens to some of my posts as well and then I worry that people will think I highlighted it because of some special emphasis, when in truth, I hit a tab somewhere unaware (Somewhere Unaware,that would make a good title for my memoirs). Sharon
I think the wear looks fake. I'd lean to thinking it's newer.
It's difficult to determine by way of the pictures as to its potential age.
I don't like the inner base rim. Nor do I like the sloppy seal. The design and decoration looks odd. Especially the scales on the dragon.
It's in my opinion either a late Republic period or its a later attribute of sorts.
Mark
Dear Mark, I will be away from home on business till Sun., but I picked up this doucai dragon vase earlier today. I will shot you some better photos when I get back. I don't want to open up serious controversy, but the piece is for certain turn of the century, and it can't be any later than period (1908). I am not impressed with the particular quality of it myself. Not very well rendered, but it is a genuine antique none the less. Definitely not a modern copy. I have questions about the piece, but the issue of age has been solved. Not possible for this to be a Republic honorific piece. I don't think it is a real expensive piece either (at least not yet, who knows in 10 years). JT
Hi Jamie,
I did take the opportunity to forward this discussion to Xin from wyssemaria-art.
He replied that it's a typical wucai example from the late Qing period.
Mark
Well I called that wrong, but I don't like it any better. 😊
Being intrigued I had a look around and found a couple of similar ones but I can't log-in. Still, they may be of use to Jamie if he can.
Good job Julia. I am not a subscriber, but can access info. through other sources. I did not know if it was old till I picked it up and held it.
Not very well rendered but, a genuine antique nevertheless. I am going to sit on it for awhile just because it is marked. JT
Dear Mark, I will be away from home on business till Sun., but I picked up this doucai dragon vase earlier today. I will shot you some better photos when I get back. I don't want to open up serious controversy, but the piece is for certain turn of the century, and it can't be any later than period (1908). I am not impressed with the particular quality of it myself. Not very well rendered, but it is a genuine antique none the less. Definitely not a modern copy. I have questions about the piece, but the issue of age has been solved. Not possible for this to be a Republic honorific piece. I don't think it is a real expensive piece either (at least not yet, who knows in 10 years). JT
Well done JT 🙂 Your getting some unlikely home runs against all the pitchers.
Hi Jamie,
I did take the opportunity to forward this discussion to Xin from wyssemaria-art.
He replied that it's a typical wucai example from the late Qing period.
Mark
Thank you so much for doing that, I was so curious how this would turn out. I has a strong hunch it was rough blank that had been hand drawn by a childrens secondary school but nothing to back it up with.
JT what makes you so sure it was not later than 1908. Did you rely on the red stamp in the end based on your appraisal that it was certainly antique.
No, The back stamp was a clue, but only one of many. Everything lines up. Everything. Only thing I could wish for would be better quality which is apparently lacking. However, the more I look at it, the more it grows on me. And the fact that it is mark and period makes it a little more lovely. Definitely nothing imperial, but still a good find. JT
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