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H: 5.5" Does anyone have any idea who these Men At Work (or women) could be. Probably off topic, but who knows, maybe not. The little flow blue baluster vase was purchased at an Oklahoma antique shop in 1978. I do not know if it is Asian, European or Ohio/West Virginia or other. I do not know if that is supposed to be an incised mark on the inside of the mouth of the vase. It has prominent mold seam lines.
H: 21" Dia: 9" This hollyhock vase is also a mystery, never have found any information on it. The surface decoration bubbles up on the leaves and I do not know if it is supposed to be a majolica type and I have never been able to learn whether that T on the bottom is a maker's mark or a kiln support mark, also whether that incised m or w and 81 or 18. I bought the piece at an Oklahoma flea market because it had the most beautiful blue and I liked hollyhocks, if it is indeed hollyhocks. It survived 3 children, several moves and long periods in storage twice, but it did not survive me being startled and dropping a heavy book on the lip, once again, Elmer's glue to the rescue. I do not know if it is worth being professionally restored.
The fine crackle on the small white vase suggests this is Japanese, possibly transfer printed and mid C20th. I think the other vase may not be Asian, or at least neither Chinese or Japanese. It seems to be made of a fairly crude , unrefined material - maybe a type of porcelain or stoneware?
tam
@tam18. That would be terrific if it is Japanese, maybe it started life with a paper label. I too have no idea about the large one and have searched online several times for years without any success on finding it or anything marked with a T like it. Yes, some type of pottery, but the glaze to the mouth and interior is very smooth, unlike the exterior rough surface onmthe leaves. Thank you for your reply.
@tam18. That would be terrific if it is Japanese, maybe it started life with a paper label.
Can I ask what you mean about the paper label? Are those common on Japanese pieces and, if so, of what time period?
Thanks!
Yes, common in mid 20th century for a small blue oval paper label with only the word Japan in the middle of the oval. I can remember them and still come across them occassionally, if it looks like a mid-century Japanese piece and it is unmarked, then it probably has lost its paper country of origin label. Same with Taiwan except a different color oval. The last piece purchased before lock down was a large blue floor vase with the little paper oval that had only Taiwan. There will be a market for mid-century some day, after all, we will soon be a quarter through this century.
Oh thanks, I know exactly what you mean. I've seen many of the Taiwan paper labels.
I can't find a source that mentions the little oval labels, but one did say that after 1952 items were stamped either made in Japan or just Japan. I'm not sure my little vase is a Japanese example, I have an old platter that looks like delft (even has a blue windmill in the center), but it was made by an Ohio porcelain company. I suppose it could have made its way to an antiques shop by 1978, even if it was made in the fifties, except it appeared older than nineteen-fifties when I purchased it.
The first little vase is 1900-1915 Ohio, probably in Sebring, Ohio, found other examples of the flow blue Delft inspired examples on line and found a large platter in my stash of old Ohio with the same flow blue, more like just blue tinted fingers of workers in Pilgrim's Farewell pattern. The second large vase turned out to be Chinese mid-century, found two similar examples on Etsy, neither one worth much money.
Hi Sharon,
Just a quick note about Etsy and similar sites...
You can’t really trust them to make a correct identification. Unless you know that that particular seller is an expert.(always feels funny to put two “that”s in a row). They are just people putting things up for sale.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
@watership They were not together, the first one had big flowers on about page 55 and the last one had pottery looking horses on the next to the last page of Chinese ceramics on Ruby Lane (something ridiculous like p. 194), lots of stuff, both identified by seller as Chinese and both very similar looking to the rough pottery look. I'll check again, but I think they were different sellers.
@watership P.S. It may have been Etsy, I've been combing through both sites.
@watership P.P.S. sorry by the time I find it, too late to do an edit. It is Etsy, first seller with similar looking pottery is Punky Treasures, big floral design, identifies as Chinese, does not show the base, shows sticker made in China, second seller with similar pottery look is Windsor and Drummond, on p. 191, depicts horses and has a Chinese looking design around the bottom decoration, but does not identify as Chinese, neither shows the base. What do you think? I did notice that a rough base does appear on Chizhou ceramics, but they have a totally different decoration.
Hi Sharon,
After a few years reading this website, I still know next to nothing about Chinese porcelain. So, I can’t really give an opinion. I was speaking more generally. For me, if Tam says it does not look Chinese...and two sellers on Etsy say that similar items are Chinese...I still go with Tam 😋 ...the known quantity.
Real experts, like Tam, see things that a novice, such as myself, can’t see. A subtle difference in shape, color tone, etc..
take it with a grain of salt
@watership I did not go through all those pages to prove Tam wrong, I went through all those pages to see if I could learn anything about the subject of Chinese Ceramics and was surprised when I came across the examples. I too believe it does not look Chinese and it certainly is crudely made. However, just as no judge is infallible, no expert knows everything and China is a big country. Chinese ceramics is a big subject. I personally agree with Tam, I do not think it is Chinese and I am not sure if the two found are Chinese, but the two were classified under Chinese Ceramics and they both look crudely made. The floral one has a sticker on the side that says, Made in China, which may or may not be original to the piece. Fascinating stuff, almost like dealing with discovery in a bad case with an opposing counsel who thinks it is funny to inundate with reams of worthless material (his behind got sanctioned, unfortunately he was allowed to cure). Did you look at the two examples?
@watership I did not go through all those pages to prove Tam wrong, I went through all those pages to see if I could learn anything about the subject of Chinese Ceramics and was surprised when I came across the examples. I too believe it does not look Chinese and it certainly is crudely made. However, just as no judge is infallible, no expert knows everything and China is a big country. Chinese ceramics is a big subject. I personally agree with Tam, I do not think it is Chinese and I am not sure if the two found are Chinese, but the two were classified under Chinese Ceramics and they both look crudely made. The floral one has a sticker on the side that says, Made in China, which may or may not be original to the piece. Fascinating stuff, almost like dealing with discovery in a bad case with an opposing counsel who thinks it is funny to inundate with reams of worthless material (his behind got sanctioned, unfortunately he was allowed to cure). Did you look at the two examples, besides Tam said, "it may not be Chinese," not that it was not Chinese.
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