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Topic starter 01/01/2021 8:34 pm  

Not sure what this mark is, other than maybe upside down. Can anyone tell me what it is? Thanks!  John

 


   
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02/01/2021 12:33 am  

John, 

Your inverted photos have improved 😀 That is a tough one requiring detailed research. My feeling is that one of the characters is “Hall” so this must be a hallmark “Made at such and such hall.”

George


   
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02/01/2021 2:18 am  

That looks like a nice back, can we see the front or isn't it yours?

Julia


   
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Topic starter 02/01/2021 8:09 am  

Well, the pictures are much nicer because they aren't mine. There are two of them. They are coming up at a regional auction. Here they are.  

 

 

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02/01/2021 8:17 am  

The pictures don’t enlarge so unfortunately I can’t tell you anything about the plates. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 02/01/2021 12:13 pm  

@shinigami  Sorry about that. But I was curious what you mean by the back being nice? Would you be able to specifically say what you like about it and also do you think a 1900-1920 date would be consistent with what you see? Thanks!  John


   
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02/01/2021 12:46 pm  

That was Julia who said the back was nice 🙂

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 02/01/2021 1:19 pm  

@shinigami  Oh damn. Sorry! It's just that you both look so much alike in my mind. Easy to confuse.

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Topic starter 02/01/2021 1:21 pm  

@julia  I meant to ask you not Birgit the question about what specifically you like about the base? 


   
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02/01/2021 1:49 pm  

How funny! I am laughing my head off! 🤣 

I just thought the plates looked - potentially - quite nicely done.  I can't really enlarge them either, the picture goes blurry, so don't take my word for it.  That is just my impression, that they might be quite nice and yes, I was thinking possibly around then, maybe even a bit earlier but better pictures are needed.

If they could be enlarged, Birgit might be able to help with the faces. Assuming you haven't scared her off. 😆 

Looks like there is a heron or a crane sitting on the wheelchair?  That would be lovely!  If you are thinking of bidding on them, ask the auction for some close ups.

Julia


   
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Topic starter 02/01/2021 2:26 pm  

@julia  Yes, there is a crane on a wheelchair, which I thought was very interesting and wondered what the symbolism of that might be? Maybe it represents a deceased wife? 

 

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Topic starter 02/01/2021 2:41 pm  

@shinigami  Here is the auction link: https://www.cottoneauctions.com/lots/67574/5-chinese-porcelain-cloisonn-pieces


   
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02/01/2021 3:08 pm  

Hi John I just notice that i have answered in the wrong thread. Please find my opinion in the dragon thread. 

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02/01/2021 5:35 pm  

@johnshoe

Hey friend, 
I’m sure others certainly won’t mind (especially the many site readers who are not members), but I’d suggest usually not placing live auction links for items you’re planning to bid on as well... especially on a public (and highly visible) forum. 

It’s probably rather a bit too late for that now; and due to the connotation associated with the marks themselves, these will probably sell for an excessively high figure... especially if others decide them to be in the period range suggested earlier. 

More or less I can tell you’re really excited by this wonderful world of Asian Arts (and I love reading your posts showing that, too), but it’s also filled with an honour system which is nearly non-existent for many; and I wouldn’t want you to hurt your chances in future cases or frustrate you in certain scenarios.

Hopefully I don’t sound too grouchy; more or less I’m just trying to look out for you! 

Best,
-JRN


   
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Topic starter 02/01/2021 6:28 pm  

@jrn  I appreciate that. You know, I thought about it before posting it. At first, I avoided doing so for the same rationale you mention, but I wanted the full pictures to be available to those who were taking an interest in helping me to assess them. I have seen some on this forum make statements that they would not bid on something if another was planning to. I admire that integrity and would do the same for them. At any rate, we will see what happens and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.  Thanks again,  John


   
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