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Hi Everyone,
I requested Peter's I.D. a little too late and so by the time this was up for auction today I hadn't heard back. I went with my gut feeling and bid on it.. and won! What did I get?
They listed it as a "Chinese blue and white dragon vase" (10.75" tall) but clearly they aren't dragons but foo lions (or foo dogs?) romping and chewing on something (a flower? a chew toy?). The decoration, details, foot rim, color, etc. looked pretty good to my sophmore eye so I went for it. As I await Peter's judgement, I thought I would ask you guys. The listing said it has some nicks but that's all. I see from the photo that it may have a hairline crack at the rim (or maybe a repair?).
What is the mark?
Thank you!
Steve
UPDATE: If you guessed "late Qing or Republic period" you were right! Peter just explained that the style is from a garniture set and that it didn't exist in the Kangxi era, so the mark is apocryphal.
And guess what? I paid just about what it's worth.
Hi Steve -
Main composition/design is foo lions playing with brocade balls and tied ribbons amongst clouds/flames with detached floral/fruit sprays to lower base, shoulder and neck. A very old design, first seen on Yuan dynasty blue/white pieces ...
Four-character Kangxi mark to base reading 'Kang Xi Nian Zhi' or Kangxi period made/order' ...
However, from the overall painting style, cobalt/glaze tones, footrim and mark writting, I think this piece probably dates to late 19th century or later ...
But such wares are not really my area and I could well be wrong, so let's wait for others thoughts/ opinions ...
Stuart
Also, Peter mentioned that I could have marked my request as "urgent" and he would have gotten back to me sooner but I didn't see that option. If I need to again, I'll be sure to do that!
UPDATE: If you guessed "late Qing or Republic period" you were right! Peter just explained that the style is from a garniture set and that it didn't exist in the Kangxi era, so the mark is apocryphal.
And guess what? I paid just about what it's worth.
This vase is a case where if i had seen only the foot, i would have said late qing. remember that foot - it will come in handy in the future. I am surprised that he thought that it could be republic unless very early. you bought a nice vase.
Its a nice vase you bought. I don't think it's republican period. I believe it's guangxu period 1875-1908.
I love the design
Mark
@tonyatl Thanks, Tony! Glad you like it.
I have gotten the hang of a lot of things about recognizing Chinese porcelain but the vase feet throw me for a loop almost every time, even after watching all the videos. I have tried but they all seem to look alike to me, which is embarrasing because my profession is art history. This example seemed more refined than 19th c. examples but now that I know it is, I see why. I don't think I'll ever get it. Someday I hope to become an antique dealer and when I do I'll rely on the experts for dating most Chinese porcelain vases I come across. (The other vase I bought a couple of years ago is blue and white Canton pattern and THAT I knew from the get-go that it was mid-19th c., so I'm not completely clueless...) I seem to have better luck with plate foot rims and platter bases.
That said, this is a poor person's Kangxi vase and I adore the foo lions & look forward to keeping it an finding a place to display it. The fact that it isn't too valuable is also nice because I don't have to worry too much about it.
Thanks, Mark! I like the striated details; reminds me of some Yuan examples in my books. The overall decoration does have that clumsy 19th century look but not too stiff.
It’s Guangxu like Mark has indicated. I have a dragon vase like this it was confirmed Guangxu. What nice is your still has its top.
OK, in doing a little research I've learned (and correct me if I'm wrong) that foo lions are always foo lions and not dogs despite the fact that in the West they are often called dogs.
I found the perfect place for it, next to my bed. They will protect me from bad dreams. 🙂
No doubt! RAWWWRRR!!!
I found this in my book Chinese Art; a guide to motifs and visual imagery (p, 119) regarding dogs in art:
"China's famous Pekinese 'lion dogs' . . . are a different sort of dog altogether. They were specially bred to resemble the lions revered in Buddhism. Sometimes, these lions are mistaken for dogs in Chinese art and sculpture. The confusion between these 'lion dogs,' described by Cammann as 'little mops of taffy-colored silken hair,' and real lions was capitalized on by more than one ruling house in China, particularly the Buddhist Manchu, China's final ruling dynasty, who kept dozens of them. Because some emperors, for example, the Emperor Dàoguān and China's last great Dowager Empress Cíxi, were fond of Pekinese dogs, these dogs occasionally appear as a decorative motif on such items as snuff bottles during the late Qing Dynasty."
So sometimes the confusion is on purpose... Hmm...
UPDATE: The vase arrived and after a bath it looks great on my bookshelf next to the Qianlong creamer. I love it when a piece looks much better in person than in photographs. So glad I bid on it!
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