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Japanese or Chinese? It’s a very large old Jar with some crazing throughout. The bottom has 5 brown rust spots. Thank y’all for looking Dimensions 14”x 12”
Sally, is the neck glazed? That is an interesting base (rust from a metal firing support?) and the decoration is, actually I am not sure how to describe it, simplified maybe? I hope someone can help, I need to think about it. 😊
I’m not sure if this is even Asian could be Western can we see the inside?
This looks like enamel on Copper.
Vic
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The neck is glazed and the glaze looks a bit like paint? The inside shows circles like it was made on a wheel. There is an indentation around the middle which indicates a top and bottom piece. It’s not copper on enamel.
I will upload more pics later today. Thank y’all for responding
May I check if it does have a foot rim or is it completely flat, which is what I assumed?
The shape and pattern are Kangxi in style, but the depiction of the flowers, the base, the glazed neck aren't. As Brian says, one wonders if it is even Asian, although the green is quite Japanese.
Or could it have been painted over in Europe?
Looking forward to seeing more photos.
The rim is quite high which may give an indication of the type of lid it had, perhaps more if the temple jar type which would maybe allow at least the exterior to be glazed.
Could this be tin-glazed earthenware?
This looks to be studio pottery
I did wonder about that, Sally when I was agreeing with Brian about not even being sure it was Asian. The clue is in your hands 😊 : is it porcelain or earthenware?
Is that a flat base, with no foot rim? It is such a mess that I can't really tell. It looks to have a bare rim around the edge but is that raised? The base is just weird either way. If it isn't painted over, maybe it is was a blank decorated elsewhere.
Or it is a deliberate fake, but it isn't a very good one, but then some aren't.
I wish someone else would offer an opinion.
The foot rim is flat. All enamels are over the glaze, including the blue, which looks like black in the photos. I think it’s porcelain. The flowers in the panels don’t look Asian to me. My best guess is that the original was painted over by a European much later than the jar was made, given the rust spots on the base and the pink enamels.?
It’s a studio pottery piece using the Chinese influences. The tells are in the construction. The pot has three parts. The walls are very uneven and the bottom looks like fingers scooping the thick material away the base or bottom is not mended in the correct form leaving a gap at the seems. The joint is total wrong as there is no fill and the position in to low. Chinese potters where very good so a messy painter is possible but a messy potter and painter no likely.
My understanding of studio pieces is that, yes they may incorporate old techniques and be influenced by previous styles, but they are unique items by talented artists who produce something they fervently believe in, to the best of their ability. I am just not getting that at all from this piece.
If this is modern, which I think it may be, it is a deliberate attempt to deceive. It could be an old-overpainted piece but I think that base would mean it is before 1700 and it may be another type of clay rather than porcelain.
The reasons for it being a copy is the mixture of styles, there is too much out of place. For example, the background colour I have seen on small ming jars, but the design on this is Kangxi style, so one would expect kangxi colours and a whiter background. The base would not have those stains and I would expect there to be a foot rim on an 18th c piece or on a 19th c revival piece.
Then there are the flowers, the large one in the centre reminds me of later ie 20th c rose mandarin , the one on the lower part in the last photo is poorly done. The outlining is inconsistent in the amount of ink, which makes me wonder about stencils and the line around the base has had to be joined up. There is a fair amount of sloppy work and inconsistency.
So, that is where my thoughts are. Maybe you could ask Peter what he thinks. Sorry, I really am not sure, it is hard from photos and I am no expert and can only talk about what I see, rather than technicalities.
Is it very heavy?
Thank you Brian and Julia,
Yes it is much heavier and the rim is twice as thick as similar sized porcelain jars I own. Re: Studio It’s 100% not modern as there are signs of age, crazing throughout. It’s too unattractive to be a copy. Maybe there were 2 artists? Maybe it was broken in Europe and the whole jar is a repair? Are the blue-black over glaze enamels helpful in dating it?
Cheers, Sally
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