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Martin Osterwalder
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Topic starter 16/01/2021 3:03 am  

these two are in Auction here in switzerland 

Size 19 cm x 12 cm

Are they more Early Republic or allready proc

best regards Martin

 


   
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16/01/2021 3:15 am  

Hi Martin, 

I think they are PROC and not republic period.

Mark 


   
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16/01/2021 5:09 am  

To me the painting style looks ok for the 1940s. 

Birgit


   
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16/01/2021 5:38 am  

Hi Martin, 

Birgit may well be right about them being 1940's. 

I sided on a cautious date as I was unsure about them being republic period. 

They could be 1940's or early to mid 1950's. The style is certainly consistent with the 40's. They are not later imo. So late Republic period to early PROC. 

It's difficult as the framing is later and we can't see the backs. 

They are very nice and painted well. Definitely worth the punt. 

Mark 

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Topic starter 16/01/2021 9:21 am  

@shinigami and @imperialfinegems thank you for the comment on these ...i am a conservative bidder maybee i can get them without blowing the familly fortune 😉

With regards from Switzerland Martin


   
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16/01/2021 12:42 pm  

I have just noticed the rabbits! 😆 I didn't see them this morning.


   
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16/01/2021 12:59 pm  

Hi Julia, I hadn’t noticed them either. That’s quite explicit for Chinese art and wouldn’t probably have been found in earlier centuries or even earlier decades. 😂

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 16/01/2021 1:17 pm  

@julia congrats first to have  found the easter egg 😋 

best regards martin


   
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16/01/2021 9:05 pm  

Maybe I need glasses. 👓🤓

I still can't see the rabbits. 

As pointed out in earlier posts republic period porcelain plaques are very difficult to pin down. They are making some excellent copies today that can rival the genuine ones. They need to be handled and examined. 

The first one is a genuine example of republican Master He Xuren. The second one is my Xu Zhongnan example. The third one is a 80's example. The forth one is a probably early guangxu example. The last two are attributes to republic masters Wang Yeting and He Xuren. 

Can anyone help me with obtaining a genuine frame for my Xu Zhongnan plaque? It's 37.2cm x 25cm. I have been looking for one. Preferably with a bamboo effect.

This one is a superb attribute in my opinion. It bears the signature of master He Xuren. Has been sold a couple of times. Fantastic painting in my opinion but  fails with the calligraphy and seal mark. Very common theme. 

Mark 

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16/01/2021 10:30 pm  

I like these. I was guessing they were even be a little bit older than what others are thinking, but I'm not really sure. And I think it's funny that Mark can't see the rabbits.  

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16/01/2021 10:55 pm  

Hi Johnshoe, 

You have to be very careful about buying republican period porcelain plaques as previously noted. There are so many excellent copies floating about. The two plaques posted by Martin are unmarked which makes identification even more difficult. 

I am using a small screen Huawei phone. So it's difficult sometimes to view finer details etc. And to top it off I have been ill lately. I suffer from extreme RLS and its effecting me. I can't see or think properly due to exhaustion and blurriness. 

I still can't see the rabbits! 😢

Mark 

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16/01/2021 10:59 pm  

Ooh wow........ 

Now I see the rabbit! 🐇😊👓

Never seen such on republican period porcelain plaques before. 

@Johnshoe, 

Which one do you like? 

Mark 

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17/01/2021 3:26 am  

Mark, Would you say the rabbits prevent it from being Republican? I thought the faces and that grainy style looked Republic, rather than PROC. I find those rabbits quite a bizarre touch. However, they seem to be having a lot more fun than the couple, who look miserable: maybe that is relevant?


   
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17/01/2021 3:28 am  

Mark, Would you say the rabbits preclude it from being Republic? I thought the faces and that grainy style looked Republic, rather than PROC. I find those rabbits quite a bizarre touch. However, they seem to be having a lot more fun than the couple, who look miserable: maybe that is relevant?


   
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17/01/2021 3:47 am  

Hi Julia,

I am not sure as I have never seen rabbits on republican porcelain. That does not mean that they were not present. Just that I have never seen such until now. 

I still think it is highly probable to be late Republic early PROC. 

Interesting though. Perhaps others have seen the elusive rabbits before displayed like this. Unusual! 

Mark

 


   
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