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@greeno107 It’s 23cm tall and I’m not really convinced in the glaze being a transmutation,unlike yours. Shoulder to mouth is 6cm.
Vic.
P.s It would be nice to see a pic of the base of the water pot if that’s o.k ?
@shine That's interesting.
So, your vase is slightly larger than mine. Mine measures exactly 8 3/8" tall - same as the Christie's vase that sold for $900k... after checking a few other museum examples, it does seem that the 8" size is correct for period pieces.
Your neck is a lot shorter (ratio) to body size than mine. too. Mine is almost 50% of the total body size (with slight variation depending on where you measure the 'shoulder' from.
I will post the mark soon. I'm soaking the pieces to try and seperate them, then I'll post.
As for the glaze, it's really hard to get a clear photo indoors and it was rainy today. I'll see if I can get a decent photo tomorrow.
Thanks.
Tim
Sorry, I’m late to this party.
But, Tim OMG!
I am totally dumbfounded that someone would do that. It’s a new definition of “clobbered “
@william I lived and worked in Aspen for 10 years the very wealthy do strange things to porcelain I know one that brought antique vases from a well known gallery and had them drilled for lamps on the spot. Than brought them home his wife hated them and they ended up in the habitat for humanity.
@william The best I can figure is that the person who made the lamp was thinking, well, I've got these really unusual Chinese porcelains that are just too small to make into lamps...what should I do? OH - I know! Let's stack them on top of each other, glue them together, and drill a hole through them to run electrical wire!
😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱
Anyway, I'm soaking them, one in Goo-gone, the other in just water. I can't make heads or tails of the type of glue they used. Too old of a glue job to be silicone (thank god), but the glue doesn't appear to have that yellow/brown look of animal glue. To my eyes, it looks more like chalky paint.
I put some scrapings into vinegar, but no reaction, so not plaster.
Perhaps some type of caulking???
I'm going to give the water and Goo-gone soak 3-4 days and see what happens. Then I might try acetone (I tried earlier, but I didn't have enough to soak in a bath).
If you have some thoughts on possible solvents to try, please let me know.
So William, I know my pics are in poor light, but have you seen any Kangxi period peach blossom pieces that are predominantly green like this?
Let me post a pic of when I first bought the lamp and took a photo in the sun....
Here’s a pic in good sunlight, but not too sharp.
Just to be clear... I'm not sure that these are older than 19th c., and as I promised, after I've soaked them and seperated them, I will post bottom photos.
I have seen a photo of a very green jizhazun (beehive) water pot in either the Sotheby’s or Christie sold database quite a few years ago.
Here are some photos from Decorative Arts, Part II from the National Gallery of Art in Washington.
Acetone had no effect. Not sure how to get heat to the glue... the mouth of the beehive is inset into the foot of the vase... it's a really unfortunate glue job because it's tightly fit and not much surface area of exposed glue.
I was able to get a few pieces of glue loose from the inside to identify. It looks to be old rubber cement. Soaking in mineral spirits as I write... hopefully a few days of soaking will do the trick.
@shinigami I might have to go into the very toxic options... the mineral spirits don't seem to have much effect on the small samples of the adhesive that I was able to remove as a way to test the effectiveness of the solvents.
@greeno107 Tim, how are you coming with the separation of your vases/beehives? I have been wondering all week! Please give us an update.
Carol
@cashflowz Sorry for the delay!
After trying hot water, acetone, mineral oil, Goofoof, Citrastrip, WD40, and silicone/latex caulking remover, I was not able to separate the vases.
Citrastrip had shown promise since I some pieces of the glue did dissolve, but not enough to separate the pieces.
However, Jeremy made the recommendation that I cook the pieces in the oven.
At 475 degrees F, I cooked the porcelain for about 30 minutes. I removed them from the oven (be ver careful - they’re hot) and while still hot, gave them a gentle bump with a rolled up towel, and THEY SEPARATED!!!!
Essentially, the heat carbonized the glue, and the fragile nature of carbon gave way when I ‘bumped’ them apart.
After cooling, I soaked the areas that still had glue residue in Citrastrip, and in an hour, no more glue!
Many thanks to Jeremy for the help!
Sadly the beehive water pots had their mouths ground prior to flying, and the vases had their bottoms completely removed.
But, the exterior glaze is quite spectacular, so they are still very worthy of collection.
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