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Hi again,
This is described as early 20th c although I have a vase with a similar pattern/colours on the shoulders that is a bit earlier. What interests me are these winged creatures - are they dragons? One has a snout like a pig! Are they actually chilongs rather than dragons?
There is a chip on the base and a hole in the side from where it was supposedly drilled for a lamp - that bit is also cracked. It is 23 cms high.
Thanks for your help.
Julia
Hi Julia,
the vase has a modern look to me, could even be printed. So I think the highly stylized dragons are rather a fantasy product.
Birgit
Thanks, Birgit.
I also considered it might be printed, but close-up, I couldn't see any signs. I agree that there is just something about them that is slightly odd.
I maybe ell over my head but this dragon looks to a simplified or fantasized version of one of the SE Asian dragons. It has no legs, I recall one of the regular posters posted a picture some time ago of a dragon with no legs and wings.
Dear Julia,
if not too much expensive, buy it! (or tell me where it is on sale, haha).
These are phoenixes. This type of decoration is well sought-after.
It should be Guangxu, althougth the pictures are too small.
Regards,
Giovanni
Thanks, Ron, I must have missed that.
Giovanni, thank you, that is very interesting. It has an estimate of £30 - £50 does that sound reasonable with the damage or is the damage too bad? I have photos of it but I am not sure whether they will be any better.
Julia
The crack from the drill hole doesn't show well, sorry.
Dear Julia, that price is nothing. This motif is rare and highly appreciated. Here is the link to a bowl sold by Christie's. The quality of the vase is not so high but nevertheless it is rare and appreciated. And I think that it could be earlier than Guangxu.
That hole means that it has been mounted as table lamp. I would not worry for the damage, but that is me.
It is a good opportunity for having an item of good level, not common to see.
I had an altar vase with this motif that I have sold through a good auction house.
Good luck,
Giovanni
Dear Julia, that price is nothing. This motif is rare and highly appreciated. Here is the link to a bowl sold by Christie's. The quality of the vase is not so high but nevertheless it is rare and appreciated. And I think that it could be earlier than Guangxu.
That hole means that it has been mounted as table lamp. I would not worry for the damage, but that is me.
It is a good opportunity for having an item of good level, not common to see.
I had an altar vase with this motif that I have sold through a good auction house.
Good luck,
Giovanni
Good call on the Phoenix! The value will depend dramatically on whether it is modern or 19th century. A modern example with a hole and crack would be hard to sell at any price. Interesting to see so much difference of opinion on this piece. The base seems right for 19th century but I wondered about the wear and grime on the top which seemed like intentional distress, but the fact that it was lamp would explain that. This might be one of those pieces you have to handle to know for sure.
Hello,
I confess that I hesitated before to suggest Julia to buy it. I said that the pictures are too small just because of that.
I don't think that there are problems at the base/foot. The only point that give me a bit of perplexity is the freshness of the black contour lines. Certainly the decoration is not of the quality usually seen on the pieces with this motif, but on the other hand it is not betraying the hand of a faker.
I would be really really surprised if it will turn out to be a fake, because the quality is too much good for a fake.
Then my conclusion is that it is genuine.
Giovanni
Morning!
When I handled it, I didn't have any doubts about the age; it felt and looked like a late 19th c vase. I just thought the "dragons" were strange, and rather fanciful which made me a bit suspicious, but that is now explained by them not being dragons.
I will try to get some more photos, I have to work for a few days but will hope to get there after that. I will bid on it, I am in the market for some new lamps anyway, so if it isn't what it seems, then maybe all is not lost!
I will look at the link now, thank you for that, Giovanni.
Great news, dear Julia. I'm afraid was lead astray by the too perfect looking painting style. Also the foot was difficult to judge on the first small set of pictures. But sometimes what looks perfect also is perfect 🙂 Hopefully more people think it's modern so you might be able to get it for a decent price. Good luck!
Birgit
Thanks, Birgit. 🤗 I will let you know.
It’s a Phoenix, I could have stared at it for hours trying to figure it out and never come up a Phoenix. Glad we have smart people here.
Hi Julia and all -
Such archaic style phoenix’s were first seen on Imperial Kangxi wares - attached images of two mark/period mallet shaped vases, both around 17.5 cm high, in underglaze blue and copper-red (the latter are much the rarer type). This motif was used on ceramics throughout the Qing dynasty, with some some stylistic changes ...
From the images, I would concur with the above comments regarding this piece - not the best in terms of painting/ overall quality but a rare motif and highly desirable. As with Giovanni, the damage would not concern me.
Not really my area but I also think this may be earlier the Guangxu and, again based on the images, not a fake.
The estimate is incredible low for such a piece - best of luck when bidding ...
Stuart
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