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Thanks, Brian I didn't say there was a mystery. 😆 I simply like to check facts and read up on things I am told.
I will keep looking for information. I am interested to know how this was done, who did it (good non-stamped marks must have required some skill) and how common this was. I will look on Gotheborg later to see if anything is on there.
@julia here is a good read on that time period it gives a good insight on the buying frenzy of the west and why it was beneficial to place marks for collections.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/etchi_0755-5857_2015_num_34_2_1551
Thanks Brian, that was very enjoyable and certainly showed the buying frenzy of the early 20th c. Now, I would like to read some of that dealer's essays on the detection of fakes. 😊
However, it didn't say anything about an attempt to decieve buyers in the Republic period by applying reign marks to unsold earlier pieces and I haven't been able to find anything on Gotheborg or Watersilkdragon either.
You'd think that if this was a common practice, it would be widely known and talked about. Maybe there will be something in Houo's "Preuves" - if I get to read it.
@julia I don’t really think that there has been much interest in this due to the fact that this practice is not a new practice marks were placed on many unmarked items from all periods. So with the end off the Qing many republic shops purchased Imperial court panels and produced court robes for tourist is it Qing or Republic? Another question why do early Republic vases have very high quality enamels with a horrible wax stamp in most cases. Peter on his reign mark page states most marks are copied and very few are authentic. Are we saying that if the kiln production was complete with enamel firing but not the marks on year 1912 they stopped and halted the production and didn’t complete the marks destroying the entire lot. Antique production time was weeks to months from start to finish and export times were sometimes years. Almost all CHINA stamped marks are from the Republic period these marks were added for export purposes so this theory would say anything marked China is republic even though they had to be added on all old stock to be export. Embellishing items is nothing new to the Chinese and European markets. A lot of book information from the past was incorrect. With many years of collecting and researching a good hypothesis can be accepted.
Brian, I do know about the existence of fake marks. This is simply the first time I have heard that marks were deliberately added during the Republic period to unsold stock dating from the Qing dynasty that was languishing in warehouses. That isn't just a simple matter of items in production being finished in 1912 which I would expect to still be finished with marks appropriate to the period.
Please don't be offended by my interest to know more. This site is about learning. 😊
@julia Another aspect of this is I have found it interesting that some late Qing and Republic period pieces copying 18th c work seem to bring so much when they have apocryphal marks, almost as if the mark enhances value even though it is apocryphal. Seems weird to me given that they are reproductions of their day. I suppose these pieces are high quality, but still, seems odd that a high quality fake 100 years old is worth tens of thousands when a high quality fake today is looked down on and maybe worth a couple hundred. And where is the cutoff before it becomes just another vintage/modern fake- the 30's, 40's, 50's....? It is all so relative and arbitrary. I get baffled at the valuation rationale the industry uses sometimes.
@shinigami I'm thinking of things like this: https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/pavilion-online-chinese-art/famille-rose-revolving-reticulated-vase-3243/119563
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