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Dear Jiawei He, as you are the Song specialist, and of course everyone else: What do you think of this small plate? It was one of the first pieces of my collection. I bought it from an old collector who had aquired some pieces himself in China several decades ago. To me it is a Southern Song plate of low quality. Do you think it is correct? Diameter is 15 cm.
Birgit
Hi, I love Song ceramics. But i hesitate to self-claim as specialist, rather i am an experienced collector. Sorry i could not enlarge the picture to some high definition to see into the details.
But seen from current pics, this is a genuine piece of Song Dynasty Qingbai plate dish of Jingdezhen or Hutian Kiln.
But this is of course not a high-grade one (compared to some high-quality Sotheby or Chirstie Result marvelous pieces).
I would further comment that such color and tone, which is more white than bluish white, should be a common product of Qingbai type.
The unglazed rim is typical Qingbai Song dish, as metal band is added, but then faded and disappeared through 1000 year erosion and corruption. If you could provide high-definition photos, i would further comment on the pattern and its meaning.
This is a moulded dish.
By the way, could you tell me how to post new topic here in this forum, as i am new here. Thanks!
A special focus on the glaze bubble and some area on the rim where glaze meets unglazed clay body will indicate clear signs of erosion that helps authenticate such types of things.
Two examples in my collection for you to compare, it is late her in China. So a bit harsh to dig out some more similar examples.
The second plate might be a late Southern Song or even Yuan piece.
By the way, strangely, why i feel your two pics do not belong to the same piece?
Dear Jiawei He,
wow, so much information already with you just looking at the two small pictures! The size of the pictures is a default from the forum, but if you click on them, they should enlarge. I can assure you that it is the same plate, front and back. I just took some more pictures, partly with a macro lens, but as it's already dark here I had to use artificial light, so I hope they are helpful at all.
The plate doesn't look as if there had once been a metal rim around. The rim is very clean, no traces of anything. Maybe the plate was discarded because of the warped back side?
By the way, you can start a new thread by choosing the forum in the list, click on the title (e.g. General discussion board) and in the upper right corner there's a button "add topic".
Best regards,
Shinigami
Birgit
Yea, thanks!
With such pics, i think this is a pretty nice example of Song Dynasty Ding-type dish made in Jingdezheng or even Fujian (Fukien) or even Canton kiln sites. During Song Dynasty, there are hundreds sites producing such Southern Ding types, which should be their proper name instead of Qingbai, as i told, they are not bluish white Hutian glaze.
Most of such productions are for export to Japan Korea, and to Southeast Asia. So such finds are often from seawater.
You could never tell whether one piece had been metal banded or not from its current status, except from one condition: it is unearthed from soils like that of Hangzhou and Nanjing, soaked wet soil. And i could guess your example is found from seawater, and the erosion could make the metal band totally disappear. Another possibility is that, since such finds are from seawater, to be more exact, from sunken ships, they were not yet banded as to be lost in ocean before arrival to destination ports.
Best!
This kind of moulded pattern is not that clear, perhaps because such mould is overused, or due to careless mass-production procedure. The duck is nice and much rare a pattern than many others. Very nice and vivid!
Generally, such Southern Ding dishes with foot rings are more likely to be Northern Song or earlier examples. The flat base without foot rings are generally later or Southern Song examples. But to such mass products of unknown Fujian or Jiangxi or Guangdong kiln, it is hard to speak for sure.
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