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I don't buy much Satsuma, but I liked this one. Curious to hear others thoughts on it. Cheers! John
I agree those parts are impressive, but I am not overkeen on the rest. It is a bit gaudy for me and the feet (bats? gargoyles?) are odd. They weren't added later, were they?
Has it got any marks? I notice there are no photos of the base or inside the lid.
@julia I thought Satsuma's whole purpose in existing was to be gaudy! At any rate, here are a few more pictures.
@julia I was under the impression it was the Japanese just trying to supply gaudy Victorians with more gaudy things only with a Japanese flare. At any rate, for some bizarre reason this censer is easier on my eyes than they usually are, so that's why I bought it. I usually don't like these things but this little guy I find handsome. However, I doubt my wife will agree so now I need to find a place to hide it before she gets home! Cheers! John
Those demon faces for feet are fantastic, they will scare away evil from your hearth, tell that to your wife and maybe put a cash gift inside as well.
@sharonp Good idea, but I have spent all my cash on the satsuma and such, so I might have to stick to my plan of hiding it.Â
Thanks. I can see the legs were done at the same time, but I think the whole piece is later.
I don't think Satsuma is meant to be gaudy; initially it was refined products, exquisitely decorated by talented artists. 😊Â
You are correct. The demand was too high by the 1920s that the decorations became very rushed, and the aesthetic became broadly dismissed by critics as undesireable.
A few companies continued to make refined work, but the prolific amount of lower grade products on the market continues to hold back prices on finer examples. Â
Some sellers will try to convince you that they have a high quality piece when in reality they are selling lower grade work.
Also, a few companies did operate on a sliding scale of quality, so you will find not only low and high quality work, but pieces that fall in the middle.Â
Personal taste can throw people off when trying to find the best examples. The ones with heavy gilding are sometimes finely decorated, but I still think it is "too much." Some people like them.
Thanks Russell, I started to say some of that, but gave up and cut it out. It didn't sound as good as your explanation. 😊Â
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@julia That is just residue from an old sticker on the bottom that I haven't cleaned off yet. I hadn't thought about that indentation circle on the bottom and didn't realize it would have any significance. Are you saying that those only occur on Chinese copies of Satsuma ( I didn't know that was even a thing!) ?
Chinese satsuma has come up on here before. As you can guess, it is not Satsuma as described in Mark's post. It is characterised by heavy use of comparatively thick gold lines, crowded scenes, over-decorated and the tones of the plain areas are whitish rather than cream/buff tones. It is often marked Royal Satsuma. Do a search and you will find a lot.Â
The dip on the base intrigues me as modern satsuma does not always have a dip on the base, but that dip is generally a sign of at least mid 20th c production. I am just not certain if it is only on Chinese pieces, or Japanese as well. I have seen it on satsuma, on Macau decorated pieces (I assume those were always from China?) and I have a lamp with it.
It was my lamp that made me wonder about your censer. It has the same look to the masks as the feet on yours - but less scary. I posted it up ages ago but we didn't really get to a conclusion as to when/ where it was made. I still think it is mid 20thc, but not 100% sure it is Chinese. If your censor turns out to be Chinese, I think that will be more conclusive about the origin of my lamp.
I will try to find some pictures of other dips.
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