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I bought these for 80p each are they old any help would have appreciated
Hi Gavin Fry,
Firstly welcome to this great forum!
A couple of very nice plates you have bought for nothing I might add.
They are Japanese imari ware. They date to the late Meiji period 1868-1912 on my opinion. So about 1900.
The first mark looks very much like a Fukagawa mark with the blue orchid. You can Google for more information about the company rather than me rambling on.
The other mark I do not recognize. Perhaps other members can decipher.
Do you know the size and are they free from damage etc?
Mark
I think it is a fake Chenghua mark, it was used a lot. Welcome, Gavin. 😊
Welcome Gavin! I agree with Mark and Julia. I went through the gotheborg japanese marks website and it looks very similar to the apocryphal Chenghua marks. Here is the photo that it looked most similar to:
This particular plate is 19th century Arita
Hi Julia,
Interesting comment. You think that the second plate is a fake?
I thought it was still a imari plate late Meiji period with said mark.
Mark
Oh no, Mark, sorry, I was talking about the mark. Some of them are quite badly drawn and of course this isn't Chinese let alone from that era, maybe apocryphal would have been a better word. 😊
Welcome Gavin! I agree with Mark and Julia. I went through the gotheborg japanese marks website and it looks very similar to the apocryphal Chenghua marks. Here is the photo that it looked most similar to:
This particular plate is 19th century Arita
Hi John,
Do you think this plate is Japanese imari late Meiji period?
Mark
Mark, it is a Japanese Meiji period plate. I don't think you saw my comment.
Hi Mark,
I was just pointing out the similarity in the marks since they're likely illegible in Chinese even if the plate I posted wasn't imari. I do think that Gavin's plates are both Meiji period, but I don't have enough experience to say that definitively, and defer to your comment.
Kindly,
John
Hi Julia,
Yes, sorry I didn't see your comment. It's 6.05am and I have not slept.
My friend is with me atm rambling on since 10pm last night.
Mark
Hi guys thanks for all the help I am new in the collection business any comments will help me thank again
Hi Gavin - and as with Mark and Julia, welcome to this wonderful forum ...
Julia@julia and John@bartholin and correct, the first image is a four character mark that reads:-
‘Cheng Hua nian zhi” or Chenghua period made’ ...
Such earlier Ming reign marks, using either four or six characters, are quite commonly seen on later japanese ceramics ...
I will defer to others regarding attributed dating of your pieces ...
Stuart
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