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Topic starter 23/09/2022 6:36 am  

@lotusblack I will, undoubtedly, sell these at some point this year. Maybe sooner than later. I will look for comps to see what they sold for. My problem is that I’m ignorant as to value. I would have been happy with 2000 or even less for my little yellow bowl, but it is now 3600 and others wanted to give more after they saw the winning bid. It seems best to let the market decide the value, unless per chance one of the auction houses will accept the item.


   
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23/09/2022 10:53 am  

@centralpapottery when you decide to list one let us know. I have no issue with an auction bidding. I did watch the yellow dish it did as I thought it would I wasn’t surprised at all.


   
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Topic starter 23/09/2022 5:34 pm  

Will let you know. I was going to keep the red ones together and probably the same with the green when I sell. You wouldn’t sell one at a time, right?


   
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23/09/2022 5:57 pm  

@centralpapottery I would definitely sell one at a time. 4 of the same might make buyers think you are buying copies in quantity. I have seen one sell for as much as 4. But it is your item and auction you have to sell the way you are most confident with.


   
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Topic starter 23/09/2022 6:10 pm  

@lotusblack 4$ $400 $4000 $4000000 ? I’m guessing not the first and last, but did I not say I am ignorant on these matters? If 400 I’d rather keep them together. If 4000, maybe I should send them to an auction. You are a good searcher. I’m still looking for one like mine that has sold. I saw some yellow ones that looked like them on the watersilkdragon site but not coral red ones. Boy, I hate to break them up.


   
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Topic starter 24/09/2022 10:50 am  

Thought I would sure you a better color. Actually it’s maybe even a little more orange. The coffee can is red and the goblet is ruby red.

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Topic starter 04/10/2022 10:08 pm  

@lotusblack I am actually selling one of the turquoise bowls starting this Thursday night. Watersilkdragon calls it press-moulded. Unfortunately none of the three are mint. It pings nice but there’s a three cm crack and a bunch of scraping on the outside. Only started it at 50 bucks though.


   
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Topic starter 02/11/2022 10:01 am  

Hello everyone, a few of you had asked if I'd let you know when these coral bowls would be for sale. They are starting tomorrow night (Nov. 3) on eBay. Sorry, Peter recommended I sell them together and I also don't have the heart to break them up. I was thinking of keeping them and telling my grandson to sell them in 40 years, but decided against it.:)


   
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03/11/2022 3:15 pm  

@centralpapottery Link please! Also I'd consider that color 'coral red' 珊瑚红 (shān hú hóng). You will get more bidders with that term.


   
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Topic starter 03/11/2022 3:26 pm  

They are considered monochrome as well, correct? Or does the whole bowl have to be red?

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Topic starter 03/11/2022 5:00 pm  

@fuantiques since you brought it up:) I would think in the title  ‘Chinese Porcelain’ should be first, then the period, then the item. Or do you think ‘porcelain’ could be left out? Also, it seems ok to use ‘Republic’ and leave off ‘Period’? And is ‘Monochrome’ more important than ‘Coral Red’? No doubt this discussion has taken place on this forum, but I haven’t found it yet. In order of importance I would think “Chinese Porcelain Republic Monochrome Coral Red Bowls”. Willing to offer thoughts?


   
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03/11/2022 5:58 pm  

@centralpapottery You probably don't need the term "porcelain". Monochrome is good as that's a heavily searched for category. Did Peter say that these were Republic period? This red glaze is strikingly similar (look at the glaze up close it looks like your bowls with that 'spottiness') to a 18c dated coral red vase in the MET (see photo below). These red base marks, Christer Lofgren (author of Chinese Imperial Reign Marks) believes that a high majority of the pieces marked with red imperial reign marks are in fact produced for the upper class of Chinese society which became a custom to give porcelain ("imperially" marked, but not imperially sanctioned) as wedding presents, which I believe your bowls may be. While I don't think they are 18c they could be 19c so I wouldn't discount late Qing either. Maybe a bit more research is needed. Just my 2cents! Good luck though! 

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Topic starter 03/11/2022 7:32 pm  

Yes, Peter felt 1915-1925 with a little room on either side. I feel it’s possible late Qing because the bowls look really similar in form to the Guangxu marked yellow bowls in a Shanghai museum pictured in the article posted by watersilkdragon about the Soong sisters. Having said that, neither Christie’s nor Sotheby’s were interested, which tells me their experts did not feel they were worth 10000 or more. I think some museum would love to have these. But, I do realize there are probably thousands out there, just can’t find any for sale. Actually I’ve been looking and haven’t been able to find four together anywhere that sold or are in a museum. I guess we shall see what people think starting tonight. Some great closeups on my listing plus you can zoom in. I’m not sure I’ll get to post the link before Monday, but I’ll try if I get a chance.


   
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Topic starter 03/11/2022 7:37 pm  

@fuantiques yes, looks to be a similar color. Mine has what looks like many tiny black dots and also yellow can be seen through the red.


   
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Topic starter 04/11/2022 7:24 am  

The link to the listing of Coral Red bowls, if interested. https://www.ebay.com/itm/265961194228


   
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