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Hey Folks,
Been a little bit since I last posted, but my new chawan arrived today. I Have recently been searching for glazes that I like, and this one just looked so tactile and nice in the hands, I am not disappointed at all, now that I am holding it. Getting anything else done today might be difficult since I don't want to put it down.
One thing about the online listing was that I couldn't really see enough of the script on the box to post it for a translation, so now that I have it I figured perhaps there is some valuable info on the box.
As far as I know the bowl is similar to a Korean one I saw at the freer years ago, this was sold as Irabo-ware, and that could make sense to me.
If anyone has any insight, I would very much appreciate it.
Cheers,
Jeremy
I figure I should add this translation I received on reddit. There seems though to be a common issue when I looked up similar inscriptions, they describe it as being exported to Korea, however many of the other ones I found that said that, are in fact exported from Korea. Also dated 1681 which is right in the period I was thinking, rather I was hoping for.
I still think it is likely Korean, just from the form and the foot, as well as the glaze.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 Does it have a mark on it anywhere, perhaps impressed on the side somewhere?
Unfortunately it is unmarked, though I suspect very few tea bowls of the 17th century were marked. Also I have found a number of similar glazed bowls, all unmarked.
Jeremy
I find these bowls interesting. Sometimes they gave them a specific name, maybe sort of like naming your favorite coffee mug "Bob".
Those are Chinese characters, from what I can see the translation from reddit is pretty good. Korean used Chinese characters until 1970, so it's common find the Chinese on the early pieces. However I am confused: is it an original bowl made in Korea or a Korean bowl made in Japan?--Not enough knowledge in there.
Yin
John,
I was kind of hoping there was a name for the bowl... I find it so fascinating the way that these bowls are held and cherished for such a long time.
Jeremy
Yin,
I have to be honest I think it is probably a Korean bowl, just a feeling I get as I look at comparable tea bowls. the way the foot is cut and the glaze really makes me think Korean. There were Korean potters in Japan at the time too, so it is of course very possible that they made it, but it doesn't seem to fit a region of Japanese pottery at the time.
Jeremy
George,
Thanks for the confirmation, I feel better knowing that there is at least a date. One question that I have that the reddit translators were debating is if the second line on the left has a name in it. They narrowed it down to " 肝煎 片岡道二 於 京都極之越也 ".... and a name of Kataoka Michiji or Douji. Also the portion mentioning Kyoto. Does any of that make sense to you?
Jeremy
Sorry Jeremy, I did not make myself clear. The name of location " 肝煎 片岡道二 於 京都極之越也 " sounds like a Japanese which is
Michiji Kataoka at Kyoto Gokuno Koshiya
Hey Folks,
I thought I would post a further update, as I have been learning quite a bit more about the origins of this chawan.
I posted it to Gotheborg, and a member very kindly led me down a path of who Michiji Kataoka was.
He was the tea master for the Asano Clan, as well as the Ueda Clan. He and his family, Kataoka Dōni, were from Uji, and apparently one of the 14 tea producers for the shogunate.
His Family continued as tea masters, and purveyors up until the Meiji period.
I am still piecing the history together, but I must say that this is blowing my mind, truly.
Here is a link to a PDF that is in Japanese if anyone is interested, I have had some luck translating it using my phone and google translate, to get the gist of it at least. If anyone can read it and finds anything interesting, I would love to hear it.
This is by far the coolest thing I think I have ever found in my life, thus far. Nerd heaven for me.... I even ordered tea from Uji, just so I could drink it from the cup a few hundred years later... 😎
Cheers,
Jeremy
https://www.city.uji.kyoto.jp/uploaded/attachment/7785.pdf
@jbeer2121 Very cool, man. It's the kind of thing you can meditate about for sure. So much history and life in these objects. John
Thanks John,
I couldn't agree more. I am running this by a few Korean Pottery experts, hopefully I hear back from them, because it is in surprisingly good condition despite the box being so beat up. Though to be fair the interior of the box is definitely old, but much cleaner than the exterior. It is of course possible that it was in a long storage of sorts, and left untouched. From what I have found, or not found rather, an original tomobako dated to the 17th century is quite rare, though I did read that the cordage used to close it would be round rather than flat if it did date that early, which this has. Fingers crossed...
It is quite something to dink a cup of tea from a bowl that has traveled this long and far, assuming it all checks out.
Jeremy
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