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 Zhen
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Topic starter 17/04/2022 9:26 am  

I recent acquired this piece, it comes with  a stand. I assume it is Chinese export as decorative object during 70s or later. But the jade object itself could be older, as it was repurposed later. I measured the density which is about 2.9, so,  I assume this is a jade object.  I notice this object have holes on back and sides. I can't figure out what it is originally used for and of course date this one.

Please help, thanks!

The size about 6" from widest side to side.

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17/04/2022 10:40 am  

Modern tooling but repurposed I’m not sure I understand that. 


   
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17/04/2022 10:53 am  

@zjadey,

Hi Zhen,

Firstly welcome to this great forum.

I believe your item is nephrite jade. The quality is low.

Not entirely sure what it is though. Obviously with holes on the reverse it attaches to something. I have seen similar before. But I can't remember. A Buddhist symbol perhaps? 

I dont think it's very old. Perhaps republican period. 

Interesting. 

Mark 

 

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Topic starter 17/04/2022 12:26 pm  

@imperialfinegems 

Thanks Mark!

Initially I think it is Buddhist symbol of endless knot. I am not sure if I am right. 

I agree with you the quality of jade is not good. Based on the graphite flake like black inclusions, I can track its possible material origin. I think the jade is not from Hotan (famous for high quality jade), but from the nearby area call Yarkand or Yarkant; where is famous for product semi-translucent celadon jade with low density/quality and sometimes black inclusions.  

I am still puzzled by what the purpose of all those different size of holes. My initially guess is it was used as one of piece of jade necklace.  However, the size doesn't make any sense. 

 

Zhen


   
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Topic starter 17/04/2022 12:30 pm  

@lotusblack 

I am trying to say it is an old object, was repurposed  in 70s for oversea market as decorative item. 


   
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17/04/2022 4:05 pm  

The Republicans had access to modern tools, so I think it's possibly early 20th century. They have some value, but a portion of jade collectors don't buy pieces made after the Qing. 

 

 


   
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17/04/2022 4:08 pm  

One of my lamps has a resin finial made to look like jade.  I would consider buying this as an upgrade. 


   
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Topic starter 17/04/2022 9:29 pm  

@rahawkins 

Thanks for yours insight. According old pictures, and other records , even up to early PRC time, jade carving in China was still done by using simple tools. Only up to 70s and 80s modern tools were starting  to be used widely in jade or stone carving business. 

I would like to date this jade and know what the original purpose. Although the jade is not high quality one, but, the carving is done nicely, , I can use it as reference specimen for my future collection. 

 


   
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17/04/2022 9:33 pm  
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@rahawkins 

Thanks for yours insight. According old pictures, and other records , even up to early PRC time, jade carving in China was still done by using simple tools. Only up to 70s and 80s modern tools were starting  to be used widely in jade or stone carving business. 

I would like to date this jade and know what the original purpose. Although the jade is not high quality one, but, the carving is done nicely, , I can use it as reference specimen for my future collection. 

 

I've seen similar shapes at auction identified vaguely as "pendants."  My feeling is that it is an attachable finial for an object such as a lamp.


   
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Topic starter 17/04/2022 10:00 pm  

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I think your feeling make sense. My thought it is used as a part of a big pendant. It make more sense to me it is a middle piece connecting both top and bottom pieces. As this one has two row of holes (three pairs each ) on back and more big holes (three +) on each wider side. 

If this is a part  of big pendant, the dating may point to Ming. I could be total wrong.  So, understanding what this jade was used for will be very helpful in dating it. 

Here is what the piece may look like as pendant 

https://www.yu-jen.tw/en/lot.php?act=view&id=5168&new=0&source=carousel


   
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17/04/2022 10:02 pm  

Pretty.  It must be a pendant then.


   
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19/04/2022 8:56 am  

@zjadey,

Hi Zhen,

I asked a few associates of mine about your pendant/other. 

I received no definitive identification. One replied they had seen something similar from a museum and dated to the Song period. Sadly they only had the image and no other information. Simply because they liked the carving.

Personally I don't think its that old but it could have some decent age. Its not a modern carving imo. But the images are not great. It would need to be handled and examined in person.

I dont collect or deal very much in archaic styled jades. Mainly from Ming onwards.

Still puzzled as to what it is. Could be a pendant or even a plaque for belt buckle.. 

What country are you in? 

Mark

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19/04/2022 10:26 am  

The holes in the back look like it may have been stapled to something or had a backing stapled to it.  Is that possible?


   
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19/04/2022 10:42 am  

@Julia,

Yes its entirely feasible. It attaches to something. 

I think this piece needs to examined in more depth.

Its a mystery.

Mark 


   
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19/04/2022 4:18 pm  

The jade posted by Mark is from a Chinese auction. Dated to the Song dynasty and priced at 80,000 RMB.

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https://www.forc3.com/lygl/guonei/41070.html

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