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Hi All,
Any thoughts on this plate? It is marked Qianlong, but clearly isn't. It is probably a modern plate, but on the other hand, it is entirely hand-painted, and I like the iridescence on the tree trunks, and the grainy nature of the pink, and the color of the bats. They all seem consistent with late Qing for me. The painting is a little rough, but not impossibly. On the negative side is the weird, lumpy glaze finish.
It was advertised as Japanese in the antique store; is that possible? The only thing that might support that, in my opinion, is the decoration on the back, which is raised in a way that seems more common on Japanese plates.
I am guessing cheap modern copy, probably from a museum store in China. But still pretty, and for 10 bucks, I like it!
Thanks,
Charles
Hi Charles, the peach pattern is among the most copied patterns. This one is not of the highest quality as can be seen for example on the way the branches are executed. The back side decoration is strange and seems to be made with a stamp. I agree: modern but decorative.
Birgit
@kirby13 Hmmm…. Looks spot on Republic period to me. Peaches enamel is blown on. High flux in the green enamel causing the rainbow refraction. Fine detail of leaves. Perfectly white thin potted porcelain.
The blue enamel decoration on the back looks to be the very blue often used for Qianlong seal marks, and the scrolling design is the essence of Republic work.
There should be a pair, but it is lovely, regardless.
I have to agree with @Greeno107. I also think that it is highly probable to be republican period.
Nice example.
Mark
Interesting. I would love it if it is Republic period. But I have to tell the truth. I found 6 of these, for $10 each! Each has the same pattern, but each is hand-painted and differs slightly. I thought you might dismiss them out of hand it I told you that, and I thought they were worth discussion.
Birgit, I understand your concerns, and have to agree; the drawing is a little crude. I still think the bumpy glaze is weird. Has anyone ever seen that on a Republic piece? But even the pattern on the back in hand-painted--count the petals in each of the central flowers, and you will find that they vary.
On the other hand, some parts of it, as Greeno says, look fine. The enamels look good to me. So, thinking Republic, or a set of modern copies? Does the number of plates sway anyone towards them being modern? That is why I thought maybe museum copies... No one buys 6 plates expecting them to be real!
Thanks, and sorry to mislead,
Charles
Maybe show us a picture of two side by side so we can examine the subtle differences and similarities.
Here are all six, and a close-up of two. The similarities are obvious, but so are the differences--look at the leaves on the left edge of the plates, for instance.
Charles
They are very pretty, everything looks good except the blue underside is weird and 5 bats (5 is not good number, as you all know Chinese is VERY superstitious. )
@kirby13 Why couldn't they be a set of 6 from the Republic? The famous '9 peach' design was not reserved for Imperial use by the end of the 19th c., so more commercial use of it should be no surprise.
Consider the 'millefleur' design for a moment. I think you can find entire tea sets, and perhaps dinner sets, from the Repbulic period.
If I were you, I'd buy the set and put them up on Ebay (if you don't care to keep them)... my guess is that you can get around $200 per plate, and maybe more for the set.
Just to be clear...my opinion that they are Repubic has not changed. In fact, the variations I can see in the rendering and porcelain surfaces look spot on Republic.
After doing some research, I believe the five bats are a reference to the Five Blessings.
“The Chinese for centuries have associated bats with many virtues and good wishes so Chinese art abounds with bat motifs on fabrics, jewelry, paintings, and porcelain. These bats are often bright red which to the Chinese is the color of joy. Five bats have a very auspicious meaning that is known as the Five Blessings—health, prosperity, love of virtue, long life, and a natural, tranquil death.”
Wolfram Eberhard, A Dictionary of Chinese Symbols, trans. C. L. Campbell, (London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, Ltd., 1986), 30, 77
@kirby13 Just took a quick look at LiveAuctioneers.com.... Here's a link of 'famille rose peach plate' listings. You should be able to get a general sense of how wide spread the quality ranges, and prices of Republic period pieces are very good overall. I think you got a great deal.... don't undersell your good fortune. Nice buy!
@william that is my understanding about the five blessings as well. The five bats are found on many Chinese antiques.
Wow. Thanks, all. I am beginning to feel more confident in my own judgement. I think I will keep a few, and sell the rest, eventually--once I retire, I have a lot to keep me busy!
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