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Hey Folks,
Hope everyone's well... been a minute.
Just recently bought these off ebay... the plan was to give them to my mom for mothers day.... The pics were grayish celadon, and these are a bit too green for her. Also the lamp parts got mashed during shipment on one of them.
I bought them thinking worst case I could flip them if my mom didn't like them, as the glaze looked nice, and I figured they would be mid century-ish, those sell well on Chairish. Also the lamp parts looked like a mix of eras, 1920s-50s and rewired maybe in the 70-80s.
But now that I've de-lamped them I think these have some age, maybe even late 18th century kind of age.
There are a few remnants of gilding for one, hard to photograph but just kind of in a few recesses, little streaks or splashes, and the paste is quite pure, and smooth, where drilled it is very very white.
The only comps I have found are not quite the same form of Hu-vase. These seem to be copying ming bronzes true to form(Ill post one in a bit)... rather interesting really.
I am curious what you all think.... Ever seen this form? or even this type of glaze? They are filthy, I cleaned gobs of dust and dirt out of the inside of them, some very old dried up bugs, and have yet to really clean the feet until I know more.
THanks for checking them out...
Cheers,
Jeremy
~29.7 cm tall
Really nice Vases! 👍
I would agree and say these are older... but I think probably early to mid 19th Century.
with Best Regards...
Carsten
If you didn’t pay much you’re ok with these as nice 20th century vases. Did you take the lamp kits off?
Jeremy, do you feel confident the iron ring around the edge of the glaze is natural? Also what are the masks, foxes?
I am inclined towards a 20th c date because of the varied style elements. The shape is old, but did they make these in that style in the 18th/19th c? I haven't found any. I am not sure the glaze would drip or run either.
I find celadons difficult, but whatever the date of manufacture, I think they would make a lovely pair of lamps.
I don't know anything about monochromes, but the colour looks more Korean to me,
wouldn't it be Korean?
For some reason I can't seem to log in for very long or respond from my phone so hard to respond on the go...
Hey Brian,
I did keep the lamp mounts, so I can remount them, unfortunately the threaded rod got messed up in the shipping as well as on wire getting yanked off, so I have to fix that.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Hey Julia,
The iron ring is very much a part of the glaze. I am actually not sure on the masks, the part holding the ring is not a snout, but like an extended "ring" that holds the ring from its mouth if that makes sense. Looks like bull dogs to me, but that's not it... haha.
I actually sent an email to my contact at Sotheby's Friday afternoon, didn't really expect to hear back so soon since I believe she's traveling, and on Saturday she got back to me that they were 19th century. Not much of an explanation since the drilled bottoms preclude them from them selling the pair.
I think I'll send them to auction locally, with the lamp parts if desired, personally I like them as lamps.
I did also send this to Peter, thinking I wouldn't hear back form Angela... so I'll report back what he says.
Cheers,
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 I’m always like shocked when I find beautiful vases drilled for lamps like what nut job would drill. I guess they weren’t antique at the time. But a wise man once told me Brian if it wasn’t damaged you probably wouldn’t own them. I have some amazing vases that were drilled and discarded now they site in my cabinet to enjoy.
@lotusblack Totally blows my mind too sometimes. In one of my Warren Cox books there is a paragraph at the end of one of the chapters(I looked but didn't find it again...) where he talks about drilling out ancient pottery from the middle east, because it was unfashionable at that moment in the collectors market but very attractive as lamps.... Its a small blurb with an innocuous intent, and yet I see it time and time again now with people painting incredible pieces of furniture to suit the current market. I bought an early 18th century chest of drawers about a year ago painted in white crackle paint, sold as shabby chic.... two months of stripping the paint.... baffles me why.
But I am certainly glad it makes a few of these things attainable for me, so I'm with you there.
Cheers,
Jeremy
So just an update.... Peter thinks they are 18th century and probably Qianlong period. for some reason the picture of the pair side by side didn't post( I swear I clicked it lol...), so I have emailed that separately.
Don't know if the rumble link will share properly, never used rumble before. but here is the video.
https://rumble.com/v2pkh2k-jeremy-beer.html
Cheers,
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 I guess you can always sell them as Qing period to be on the safe side.
I think I may have hit the wrong button in my frenzy to get the like button to work, in any case, congratulations on another great find and thank you for sharing the video, which I enjoyed watching. Sharon (second attempt at a reply, the forum saga continues).
If selling, maybe just list as 18th century, since Qing was such a long period.
Hey Sharon,
Thanks! I am quite happy with the responses.
No worries if there was a dislike, I struggle with the new buttons, and probably have left a few without noticing.
I am thinking for now keeping one and selling one with a local auction house. Already suggested as 18th/19th century, seems to bridge what both Peter and Angela said.
Cheers,
Jeremy
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