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Hey Folks,
So yesterday I finally met up with fellow forum member John Guerrero or as you know him @bartholin. While looking over things he noticed that a Pair of Fitzhugh covered dishes I have, well one is missing its lid, was over-glaze not under-glazed, something that has honestly slipped by me for the year and a half I've owned them.... though I admittedly always thought they looked odd, ha ha.
From what little I have found the over-glazed blue pieces are extremely uncommon, the Nadler collection catalog has this on their rarity scale at about the very rarest, very near to silver Fitzhugh which I never have hear of.
This afternoon while I was photographing it to send it to Peter I noticed that it appears to have some over-glaze pale green enamel drips on it and something similar in shade on the leaves, and I am more stumped than ever. I should note I am red/green colorblind, and the color of the other enamel isn't quite clear to me, or maybe I'm imagining it.
I thought I would share this on here in the hopes that one of you all may have seen something like it in your collective lifetimes of collecting.
And of course I wanted to give John the credit for noticing this and thank him publicly, also maybe I will stop kicking myself for not noticing this one of these days.
As always cheers and thanks for anything you all can come up with.
Jeremy
It also seems I may be imagining the green leaves, or just that it is a faded enamel.
Jeremy
The leaves look to have a pale green (celadon) color along with the blue color. I can’t tell from the photos if the green is underglaze or overglaze. It is definitely not a typical green of the early nineteenth century. I wonder why they used overglaze blue for the decoration? This is the first time I have heard of this. This is all most unusual.
William,
I had never heard of the blue enamel Fitzhugh before John mentioned it. I am just more and more confused the more I research it.... There are only a handful of examples that have come up for sale, maybe five or six total. The green drips match my green Fitzhugh plates that are ~1820 or so, but I think I may be imagining worn blue enamel as green or another color, it is over-glaze what ever it is. Though many of the blue enamel examples are also gilded so perhaps that wore off completely. I just do not know.
Always fun to be puzzled... and a bit frustrating,
Jeremy
Here are two examples, that I found with pictures... just very different tone wise than the underglaze ones.
https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-4228911
Also this tureen, which I suspect is the one out of Christie's, the only other lot I say on there.
Just noticed the green drops on the corner of the top. That definitely looks accidental. The pale green in your first two pictures is all carefully within the outlines of the leaves. Could the blue enamel have transmuted to pale green because of accidental contamination when enamel was applied after the first firing.
Here’s a theory, the potter had an order to fill for a couple of covered dishes for a service, but all the unfired examples had been used up for other orders that day. He was in a rush and had access to a couple of fired examples that were waiting for typical overglaze famile rose decoration. He figures the client wouldn’t know the difference.
William,
That would be a very logical explanation, I like it. I think you may be onto something with the contamination theory as well, the droplets are definitely accidental and I suspect they could have mixed the enamels as well. On the next non gloomy day I will take it outside and see if I can get a really accurate shot of the color.
I love finding oddities, and this one takes the cake at the moment.
Jeremy
The tureens were great to handle in person, and it was great finally meeting you, Jeremy 😀 Glad we were able to dig in more on this!
@shine Absolutely Vic. They even repeat it twice in the description, a mistake that shouldn't happen at Christies.
Birgit
I've never heard of this either. Very interesting! And why would the Danes have a preference for this? I suppose the advantage is that the blue color is brighter? As a B&W fan myself, you've given me something else to look for...
Steve,
It is certainly an interesting variation to the pattern. I have yet to find the source info for the Swedish connection, it was in a dealers description... It is definitely brighter than the underglaze blue. I bought it by accident and have found so few others that I wonder if people just don't notice them when they pop up. Something to look out for though.
Jeremy
The rarity is definitely tied to production rather than misidentification!
Oh definitely, I just meant I feel like pieces probably go unidentified occasionally with less educated sellers, much like I was before you told me. 🤣
Jeremy
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