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Topic starter 15/11/2023 10:04 pm  

I have been researching this crackle glazed dish. It has an interesting mixture of olive and yellowish tones and the glaze has a very soft feel. It also has a faintly visible carved design that looks like sunflower type petals in the interior bottom. I'd be interested in hearing others thoughts on it. My suspicion is that it could be longquan Southern Song to Yuan but I'm not positive. Thanks in advance for any insights. Cheers! John

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16/11/2023 12:33 am  

@johnshoe I think this is Yue Ware, not sure about the exact age. Maybe Jin to Southern Song Dynasty.

Koh-Antiques has a similar bowl to offer, almost same foot:

https://www.koh-antique.com/yue1/yue1.html

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16/11/2023 11:49 am  

The line designs on the sides look Southeast Asian to me, did not see them on the Song examples from Koh-Antique when I expanded the examples in the ad. Too bad they do not come with a birth certificate. 😀 


   
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16/11/2023 12:42 pm  

@sharonp 

The bowl above the text, right hand corner. Same style and trimming:

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Only the glaze does not match the time imo that's why I would say it is a later Song example. But as the text states that interpretation is quite in line.

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16/11/2023 1:27 pm  

This is a Ming longquan style tea bowl or wine bowl for sure. From its look, it is quite likely to excavated from sea water in south east Asia. 


   
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Topic starter 16/11/2023 2:16 pm  

@jiawei-he Being a shipwreck piece could probably explain the soft feel of the glaze. I just hadn't considered that possibility. However it did come from a collection with another piece I believe could have also been underwater and had a hatcher cargo auction sticker inside of it. Here are some pictures of that piece as well which I think is a Southern Song to Yuan Qingbai example. Note the areas of missing glaze that perhaps was a result of seawater erosion, if my suspicion is correct about its origin and history. 

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16/11/2023 2:20 pm  

@johnshoe Yuan dynasty 👍

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16/11/2023 3:25 pm  

@johnshoe The Hatcher Cargo were for the most part an 1820 date, cargo raised in 1997, suppose they could have been transporting old stock, but that old?


   
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16/11/2023 3:27 pm  

@detuned I'm referring to the interior center desisn and exterior painted ring designs under the glaze looking Southeast Asian.


   
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16/11/2023 3:34 pm  

@sharonp Ah okay... misunderstood you.

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16/11/2023 3:51 pm  

@detuned Not sure if it is an interior central floral design under the glaze or if that is random crackled lines looking floral in the sun light, but the exterior painted line designs under the glaze are definitely there, did Song do that design, China did produce for the Southeast Asian market, but I remember reading in one of the research papers that Peter reccomended in the reference bookcase that the Southeast Asian kilns also produced and shipped early to China, the paper concerned early Asian markets. Maybe they influenced one another, especially in the Ming period.


   
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16/11/2023 7:01 pm  

@sharonp I didn't even see the faint Chrysanthemums? 🤔 That would make me think korean celadon with incised or stamped motive? earlier Joseon Dynasty.

But as mentioned before, the base really made me think chinese Yue Ware...

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16/11/2023 11:07 pm  

@johnshoe this looks Song dynasty most likely shipwreck.


   
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17/11/2023 12:14 pm  

@lotusblack Which piece, the bowl or vase with the Hatcher cargo sticker? By the way, I see that there is a seller in Vietnam selling supposed Yuan, Song pieces at very cheap prices,they look pretty good, I suspect China has some new competition, a flash to the past, be careful out there, it's a minefield of if only.😅


   
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@sharonp I was talking about John’s vase.


   
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