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Hi folks,
Does anyone know anything about this kind of vase? Any info or thoughts are very much appreciated. Thanks. 😊
HI TOny, welcome here.
From where did you took these pictures? Is this vase yours?
Regards
Giovanni
Hi Tony - and welcome to this great forum ...
Same questions as Giovanni ..?!
Stuart
The original is in the imperial Collection I blive.
hi guys,
Yes. I recently purchased it at an auction.
Here's the pair which is in the imperial collection. Your vase would be worth like $10 million if it was Qianlong period but it's possible the older copies are also valuable. http://elogedelart.canalblog.com/archives/2010/06/08/18195454.html
Hi - Tony -
Thank you for your answers and the additional image ...
When purchased at auction, how was the piece catolouged and disscribed, and was there any associated provenance or history given ..?
Stuart
Hi Tony,
the reason for my question is evident; you can't post your vase, asking opinion in that way, if for example you have bought your vase from Christie's.
As asked by Start, more info are needed; which type of Auction house, how it was listed and how much did you pay it.
It is not possible to give a firm opinion on a similar vase by the pictures alone. It can either be a high quality fake, a good later copy in which case it has some value as said by Avatar, or even original (quite hard possibility).
In this situation, as it is, you must know more than us.
Regards,
Giovanni
Hi guys,
So sorry for the late reply. Work was a bit busy today. But I am so thankful to the immense knowledge this group possesses, giving more info in less than a day than our unfruitful “research” we have been doing since we got this vase just this Saturday from China Luban Art & Antique, Inc.
We found this antique/auction house via Yelp and decided to check it out: https://www.yelp.com/biz/china-luban-art-and-antiques-rockville?osq=china+luban
We were pleased that they have available items/lots that were for purchase post auction, and one of them is this vase. This particular vase stood out. It called me, immediately got obsessed by it, and I was hooked. 🙁
We asked for any info about this vase (provenance, history, and even who consigned it) from the staff but they also did not have much info about it. Instead, they showed us the auction catalogue: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/75497055_a-famille-rose-floral-blue-ground-vase .
The staff said we can still purchase it if we pay the reserve. We paid the reserve and brought it home. 🙂
Since then, we had been looking/googling for more info but we were not that fruitful and when we couldn’t think of where else to turn to, we posted to this forum (as per Peter Combs’ latest you tube video’s advise).
Thus, we are here. -- Tony 🙂
If this was on live auctioneers with an estimate of $2-3000, then it is surely a new fake. I would ask for my money back. Almost every porcelain item on liveauctioneers is fake ; it is not a place to buy real antiques. Note the auction site description just says it is a famille rose vase, without any date given!
The photos of the vase are not so good and detailed , but nothing suggest it is a real C18th vase, ( if real it would be very valuable).
My advice to a newbie collector would be : do your research and scouting before buying anything - buy books , watch Peter's videos, go to museums etc.
tam
Dear Tony,
as said, you are in conditions of knowing more than us about this vase.
That pseudo Auction house doesn’t even have his own site.
On Liveauctioneer’ site (fully agree with Tam about Liveauctioneer, I never look at what is shown there) they have three pictures. Look at the following picture, it tells everything, the typical warehouse of blatant fakes just arrived from China.
And you paid it 600 dollars.
Considering all the above, it is clear that the vase is a recent copy. Maybe it will be evident through direct handling. Through pictures, it is a dangerous piece because it seems really well made.
Regards,
Giovanni
Forgot the picture. Here it is:
Thank you so much, guys, for your input and for the advices. Will try to take it back if they will let me return it. 🙁
Oh, the pain of gaining knowledge and learning lessons in this case are both painful and yet somehow ok. At the very least, it brought me to this forum and this community of wonderful people!
Yes, will follow your advise about books. Since we started collecting the summer of this year, we have also been buying books about asian antiques mostly from estate sales here in Washington DC and its surrounding areas. People here seem to have a lot of them. We have been going to the Peacock room in the Smithsonian art museum to admire and look at the porcelains. We have also been going to auction houses during their previews to handle as much objects as possible.
But, I think, the innate nature of being new to this, is the part of continuously learning while experiencing mistakes, which just fuels me to learn more. I can only hope that in time, guidance from experts and hard work will reward us with authentic pieces and a great experience in collecting.
In that note, aside from Peter Comb’s website, where else can we go to find/study/experience authentic antiques? What are the reputable websites to go to?
Sincerely,
Tony 🙂
Hi Tony -
I would concur with Tam's and Giovanni comments, and would only add the following ...
The vast majority of auctions/sales are now on-line, so this piece would have had considerable exposure, yet failed to sell. The fact that, when asked, the staff where you subsequent acquired it from, provided only the basic catalogue description, and no provenance, should have caused concerns, especially as it was then offered to you for 40% less then the lower catalogue estimate.
From the images provided, which are always subjective, the vase appears to be very good quality, but certain aspects betray the hand of the copiest. This is most obvious in the drawing of the mark, which contains several stroke errors within the characters.
If there is any comfort to offer, you are certainly not the first - and will not be the last - to make such a mistake.
Stuart
Dear Tony,
I don't believe there is a chance nowdays to find an imperial piece available at a place like that. And not in perfect condition. Chances for that are around 1:100000000000.
I do believe there is a chance of finding proper gem but through other channels but that requires a lot of effort that not everyone can afford.
Recently I have seen few Chinese fakes that were made incredibly well, and I was able to recognise that only because... I had made that mistakes in the past.
It is painful process, but that's a common feature of learning in general. Don't worry, will a bit of luck and more focused eye you will start finding genuine pieces, maybe not of imperial origin and less valuable, but you will get there for sure and who and I am sure you'll manage to acquire a nice collection soon.
All the best and don't give up!
Adrian
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