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Hello all,
I need some help on identifying this lovely teapot.
The teapot is available for sale on one of the antique shops near my house.
Need to find if this is genuine Chinese Famille Rose or not because I want to buy it but the price is quite high.
There is no marks on this teapot and looks incredible good if is a teapot from the 18th century.
Any help will be must appreciated.
Thank you very much!
Hi Alex,
at first glance I thought it was fairly typical, but I’m a beginner so I like to look really closely at things and question my judgement.
To me, the knop on the lid looks odd, it’s a later European style, I can’t recall seeing one that shape on an 18th century Chinese teapot before. Also, most have a straight spout rather than a curved spout?
From what I’ve seen, the lid usually sits proud of the pot rather than recessed? Almost like a hat!
Anyway, I too would be cautious until I had others look at it. It may well be fine and that I’m looking for things that aren’t there!
Nic
I agree with Nic , the shape of the teapot looks European and the decoration looks stiff . Something not right with the foot as well.
Maybe I am totally wrong or maybe the poor photo's are playing tricks with my eyes but i am thinking Samson or another copy .
Carl
P.S Here is a Samson teapot in the same style for comparison .
Interesting. I have seen this shape before on Chinese teapots and the lid, but not as often as you see the domed type or the ones with a thinner and less bulbous spout.
Still, it could be Qianlong? However, I would hesitate to commit without seeing better pictures of the pattern around the top (the pink) and also the foot rim and base which are my biggest concern. I agree it doesn't look right at all but that could be the photo.
I'd also like to see inside and around the rim where the lid sits, how many holes to the spout. Sorry, this list is because I am not expert enough to just say it is something especially just from photos.
I also agree that there is a distinctly European look (German or English?) but would be an export piece which would explain that.
Julia
Hi Alex,
I agree with the others, that this is most likely not an 18th century Chinese teapot. On old chinese teapots the lid usually sits on top of the rim. And the foot rim looks strange to me. It is too large for an 18th century teapot.
Chris
I don't know what this is , and agree it's not obviously one thing or another, but even if C18th chinese, it's certainly not the finest example , in form and decoration, so I think £335 is a bit too high, if that is the retail price.
tam
It has some Newhall Characteristics and the colors are more like english 18th century Newhall and Lowestoft and as Carl young demonstrated Samson. In fact the ribbon and the purple/brown flower are almost identical to other Newhall teapots.
I also wondered about those companies - and Meissen - but the shape is most similar to chinese examples such as this:
Assuming of course this is Chinese. ? It was the only similar shape I could find with this type of (is it Deutsche Blumen?) decoration and admittedly I have accepted the seller knows what he is talking about, but these flowers quite often appear on 18th export porcelain.
There is a chance the lid isn't the original, but without seeing it clearly we won't know.
Like Tam, I am not sure I would pay that much for it. You can get much cheaper examples on Ebay.
Julia
Dear Alex,
I'm not sure about that teapot either. Newhall seems to be a possibility. But whatever it is, I would advise you not to buy it. Unless of course you like it very much. From a point of investment it's never wise to buy items people have doubts about, even if they are in perfect condition. If you ever want to sell it you will have the same problems as now: One says it's Qianlong, the other says it's English, a third says it's Continental... Someone mentioned it in this forum before, but I don't know where: it's better to buy items that are typical for their age and country. That doesn't mean you should only buy one of the ubiquitous Rose Medaillon pieces, but it's better to have something where everybody says: what a nice Qianlong teapot.
Best regards
Birgit
Birgit
Dear Alex,
I'm not sure about that teapot either. Newhall seems to be a possibility. But whatever it is, I would advise you not to buy it. Unless of course you like it very much. From a point of investment it's never wise to buy items people have doubts about, even if they are in perfect condition. If you ever want to sell it you will have the same problems as now: One says it's Qianlong, the other says it's English, a third says it's Continental... Someone mentioned it in this forum before, but I don't know where: it's better to buy items that are typical for their age and country. That doesn't mean you should only buy one of the ubiquitous Rose Medaillon pieces, but it's better to have something where everybody says: what a nice Qianlong teapot.
Best regards
Birgit
I agree with that sentiment and it is why I like Japanese so much. Particularly Noritake Art Noveau, they can be so beautiful sometimes and while not rare, you will always find them in mint condition and there many quality examples. Also you can date them to within very precise dates if required.
It really could be Newhall. Very similar decoration . But it's definitely not Meissen. The painting is not good enough and Meissen always marked their pieces. But the flowers look like from other German Companies like Fürstenberg or Ludwigsburg. But they also marked their pieces. So I don't think it is german.
Chris
Hi again,
I will like to say that I have read all the comments and I must admit that is amassing , how people try to do they best to help you.
I do like Chinese and Japanese pottery and always watch the extraordinary videos, Peter do on Ebay, and I must say Peter is amassing with all that knowledge and explaining about this lovely Chinese art.
I am based in UK and I am always looking in the car boots and antique fairs for that "Million Pounds Chinese Vase", but I am not the only one...
I buy and sell lots of items on Ebay, For some of these items I buy is easy to find info on Google but there are pieces you can't find nothing about them, that's why I did ask for help here.
The teapot is lovely and jumped on my eyes as soon I've seen it.
I knew from the first look that is something not right with it, there is no signs of usage on it and everything is so perfect... I know the colours look like the Chinese pieces from around 18th C. teapots.
The price on it is about £340 but all the China in the shop is marked at 50% off on all items including the teapot. So I thought that £170 wont be that bad if the piece was right. Still difficult to know if that's Chinese or an English Lowestoft piece, very hard to decide as there is no marks on it.
Also from the shop I bought other Items which was a bit easier to identify and they are up for sale on Ebay.
So I believe, I need to pass on the teapot???
Thank you very much for all your "Lovely People" help!!!
PS: Sorry about my writing, English is not my first language, so if there are any miss spellings or nonsense on my writing please Excuse me.
Good luck with the hunting Alex . Not an easy field to make money in as most people waste a lot of money at the start , there are easier ways of making money but if you have passion for the Oriental ceramics then why not as you will learn faster.
Books on Chinese porcelain are the best investment , not only because you learn more and make less mistakes that way but strangely enough some can fetch better money than the porcelain pieces themselves. lol
Carl
Hi again,
I will like to say that I have read all the comments and I must admit that is amassing , how people try to do they best to help you.
I do like Chinese and Japanese pottery and always watch the extraordinary videos, Peter do on Ebay, and I must say Peter is amassing with all that knowledge and explaining about this lovely Chinese art.
I am based in UK and I am always looking in the car boots and antique fairs for that "Million Pounds Chinese Vase", but I am not the only one...
I buy and sell lots of items on Ebay, For some of these items I buy is easy to find info on Google but there are pieces you can't find nothing about them, that's why I did ask for help here.
The teapot is lovely and jumped on my eyes as soon I've seen it.
I knew from the first look that is something not right with it, there is no signs of usage on it and everything is so perfect... I know the colours look like the Chinese pieces from around 18th C. teapots.
The price on it is about £340 but all the China in the shop is marked at 50% off on all items including the teapot. So I thought that £170 wont be that bad if the piece was right. Still difficult to know if that's Chinese or an English Lowestoft piece, very hard to decide as there is no marks on it.
Also from the shop I bought other Items which was a bit easier to identify and they are up for sale on Ebay.
So I believe, I need to pass on the teapot???
Thank you very much for all your "Lovely People" help!!!
PS: Sorry about my writing, English is not my first language, so if there are any miss spellings or nonsense on my writing please Excuse me.
Good post Alex. Make sure to list at least one item on the For sale in Ebay thread ( own items).
I agree that you will struggle to make money, and even the best sellers face many hurdles ( returns being the worst). However if you can reach the heady heights of sellers like Egmont and Granpip and Babydragon you might make a small profit or loss. I am never sure, just always endlessly delighted at the lovely items the sellers find.
Thank you! Short Dong,
To be honest I am not struggling making money on Ebay, I do sell a lot of items on there not only Chinese, I do sell almost everything I found which are a bit unusual or I haven't seen them myself before. I am following Granpip and Baby Dragon on Ebay, always asked my self where this guys find they items?
I will like to add one or two items on the "For sale in Ebay " but can't find where to add my list, can you help me with a link?
Thank you very much!!!
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