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Topic starter 30/04/2022 7:41 pm  

Hi guys I’m looking to sell this planter but I’m a little stuck. First half or second half of the 20th century. Thanks

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30/04/2022 8:22 pm  

Brian,

Are the little "squiggles" (can't think of a better word right now...) around the top rim stenciled?

I'm leaning towards second half, even more so if they are.

Jeremy


   
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Topic starter 30/04/2022 8:52 pm  

@jbeer2121 everything is hand painted but my issue is the red white blue enamels it just reminds me of that eighty’s style.


   
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30/04/2022 9:35 pm  

I'm going to guess late Republic/early PROC. But it wouldn't surprise me to find out it is later either. It's a nice planter either way. As Peter would say "It'd look good with a plant in it." 


   
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01/05/2022 2:03 am  

@lotusblack,

Hi Brian,

In my opinion 2nd half of the 20th century.

Mark 


   
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01/05/2022 2:42 am  

The very plastic „Yongzheng“ look of the dark pink color dots on the rim makes me think it’s later, probably 1980/90s. Still very nicely done, you could use it for plants until it’s antique. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 01/05/2022 7:31 am  

Thanks guys I guess I’ll flower it for now

 

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01/05/2022 2:44 pm  

@lotusblack Does the blue and green enamels have the oily (rainbow) sheen when held at certain angles in sunlight?

The manner of the construction, the unglazed bottom, and the manner of the slip covering the feet sure look correct for late 19th to early 20th c.

My experience with post 1950’s planters is that they are pure white and entirely covered in glossy slip.

The odd colors seem to be a reflection of the trend to experiment with modern colors (for that period) and is often referred to as yangcai.

It is more common to see these colors in Qianjiang style pieces of the late Republic, but Qianjiang yancai kind of fell out of favor, so adopting more traditional‘Famille rose’ methods of enamel application might have been a way to sell porcelain wares.

Can you posts nice clear close up photo of one foot to show the transition of slip covered porcelain and porcelain without slip?

Try and get a photo to show any rainbow - light refraction that would suggest a late Qing/Republic enamel with high flux.

I’d like to see a few close ups of faces and hands.

Don’t write it off yet as late 20th c.


   
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01/05/2022 2:46 pm  

Technically, it is Famille verte, but it looks like enamels used for 20th c yangcai wares.


   
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01/05/2022 2:55 pm  

@lotusblack 

Since I’m just sitting in my car waiting for the hours to tick by until the sake starts tomorrow…

After staring at it…. I say almost definitely late 19th c Famille verte biscuit porcelain, and possibly Kangxi (small chance).

The lighting in your photos is deceiving because you took the pics in shadow.

Retake them in bright sunlight, then let’s discuss.


   
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01/05/2022 3:06 pm  

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21821/lot/9471/


   
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Topic starter 01/05/2022 7:21 pm  

@greeno107 thanks Tim I’ll get more pictures I was out all day hitting my honey holes and man a good day.


   
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Topic starter 01/05/2022 7:55 pm  

I took these under my led photo lamp. Let me know if I need better resolution. Thanks again 

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01/05/2022 8:46 pm  

@lotusblack Still not bright enough to get a sense of the true colors of the enamel and porcelain, BUT no way is this 20th c.

At least 19th c.  There is a transitional period between Famille verte and Yongzheng Famille rose… your piece has both the artistic merit and color palette. 

It also has considerable wear/damage, but that could be rough handling.

Need some full sunlight pics when you have time.


   
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This is very fine facial rendering, and the use of red lines vs. black points to Kangxi-Yongzheng 

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