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My Dingyao vase…. Perverts!
😂
So I picked up this spectacular looking vase while in Palm Beach.
15” tall.
Not my area of knowledge, so I’m interested in thoughts. Christie’s says it’s 19th c.
I might just put it up on EBay and let the market speak.
What do you all think?
You have to be careful around dingyao’s, they have been known to grab babies and run away with them!
take it with a grain of salt
I’ve heard about that!
I also got a Dingyao onetime picking up my 3 year old granddaughter, and she kicked me in the groin. DINGYAO!!!
@greeno107 I have been having issues with things disappearing in China. So if you do sell it to Chinese buyer send it Global shipping service if it disappears they will settle the refund with buyer. But the buyers are smart they will try to get you to refund them if you do they get twice the money back and you get nothing. It happen to me.
@lotusblack I’ve had that happen many years ago. That’s why I sell BuyNow.
I set a fairly high price at first, then field offers. Gives me the chance to see buyers ratings before selling, and often I’ll take a lower sale price to countries outside of China that are less prone to fraud. It’s a very good method, but you have to have some sense for the value before selling.
I e never seen this type of vase from the 19th c., so I’m looking for comparable pieces.
If none come up (like my green bowl from another thread), I’ll just shelve it.
I’m not in any rush to sell… it’s quite a nice vase!
@greeno107 I do same sometimes I put it on eBay so I can see interest if tons of offers come in a few minutes I pull it and take a second look at it.
So if this was from the Song dynasty it would be very rare and worth a ton of money. As 19th century, what mnakes it special other than it is monchrome, as i do not find the crackle appealing. Did they make these in any numbers in the 19th century.
Is this like when the slow song comes on at the teen disco and it's your last desperate chance to aks a girl for a dance, and if you do then you desperatly try to get your first shift ( means snog for the english) so you can brag to your mates.
@short-dong I’ve never seen one from the 19th c., and I’ve seen a lot of 19th c. porcelains, so either rare or since I’ve been unlucky in finding anything similar.
Or, Christie’s is wrong, which happens, and YES… would be worth some big bucks!
I’m hoping some collectors of Song wares chime in.
@short-dong I’ve never seen one from the 19th c., and I’ve seen a lot of 19th c. porcelains, so either rare or since I’ve been unlucky in finding anything similar.
Or, Christie’s is wrong, which happens, and YES… would be worth some big bucks!
I’m hoping some collectors of Song wares chime in.
Did Christies agree it was made in the Dingyao region, and identify as it as specifically Dingyao. What characterisitics does it have that can identify it as being made in that region.
For example how would Christies list it if they were to sell it. Would it not just be another 19th Century Chinese Monochrome.
Comprising; a sang-de-boeuf bottle vase, 18th/19th century (neck cut down), 29.5cm high, a Longquan celadon vase with lotus carved decoration, (damages), 17cm high, a Longquan celadon incense burner with combed decoration, (imperfect), 10cm high, a later celadon vase with lotus decoration, (cracks at neck), 29.5cm high, together with a white glazed bottle vase with band of key pattern decoration to the neck, (crack at neck),
No disagreement about it being Dingyao, but based on style rather than region. The vase has all the characteristics… ivory translucent glaze, pooling and application of glaze by brush as in Song pieces, pure kaolin paste.
Attribution to 19th c. was based upon other aspects, which I wish to withhold until Some Song collectors chime in.
The monochromes you posted are Qing in glaze and form. My vase is uncharacteristic to Qing wares…. Kind of like cizhou pillows made in the 19th c., but in the Song style.
Only, I’ve never seen a vase like this, which makes me hesitate accepting Christie’s assessment without some further research.
Just pulled out to examine my classic Song moulded Ding ware dish. Fired up side down, fine square cut foot rim, no crackle. Your vase shape is atypical of Song era. My assessment leans towards 19th also.
@william I think all the small pieces are fired upside down, but the large one fired typical right side up.
J don’t disagree about the form being Atypical… very frustrating to find things I’ve never seen before, yet appear old.
So, yes, Christie’s also felt the this large form was not typical of the Song.
But I’ve seen large vessels…
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5776681
16 3/4” tall fired upright.
Interestingly, no mention was made of the crackles or handles… I figured one of these would be the disqualifying feature.
Ever see any 19th c. Dingyao wares?
I'm learning a lot from this thread. Before, I would have assumed the word dingyao was an insult, something like "You're such a stupid dingyao" etc.
I have always thought the spirit of Song Ding wares was carried forward in the 18th/19th century by the ‘soft paste’ white wares. Here are some 18th century examples of the type.
Your vase could be characterized as a 19th century “in the spirit of Ding ware” example.
@william I really like that bottle vase, Bill. If you ever decide to sell it give me a heads up would ya. Cheers! John
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