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Large Footed Bowl, Ming, Qing? Or totally fake?
So I got this the other day, and I'm just not sure what it is.... To start off I've never seen the form, a large footed bowl, almost alms bowl form.
I would say the paste and glaze most closely resembles my Transitional and late Ming pieces, the calligraphy (not that I have a great eye for the a language I can't read) looks comparable to late Ming pieces as well, but that could just be the limited number of pieces I compared it to, it just seems loose. It was either cemented to something, or something cemented to it, or it is encrusted with (???) not sure what, but I have yet to try and really remove any of that on the off chance that it was in the ocean or something, but someone looks to have scraped some of it off.
It of course could be a fake, but a fake what? In my hands I feel that the wear is legit, and really the porcelain itself is not what I'd expect for a modern piece. If I were putting my money on something I'd say Late Ming(with out a comp that is silly, but comparing to my other pieces, that seems closest), I feel like it would be a heck of a task to get the paste and glaze to where it is to fake it, and then wouldn't they pick a known form?
I feel like I have seen feet like this, on a transitional or early kangxi vase or ewer, but can't place it
Has anyone seen the form before, or have any ideas?
It is large, about 15.5cm tall and just under 18cm wide, and I haven't weighed it but the potting is very thick and heavy:
A couple other things I wanted to add.... The inscription is supposedly a poem by Shao Yong from the Song dynasty. And the cobalt is not quite what I'd expect for late Ming, hard to explain why, perhaps not watery enough. The decoration does sort of remind my of Fujian B&W wares too, but the foot does not.
The only item I have been able to find in a similar shape was an 18th c dutch flower pot. Not very helpful, I'm afraid.
Thanks for looking. I have found a few European form pieces but they are mostly smaller. Also I have found these Incense burners, based on the Dou form, that are footed, but I cannot imagine this is that early/ one of those.... though to be fair the fake ones I am finding are usually copying the really famous types, like yongle ones and other really fancy early ming types. Also the foot they don't really make like this.... very confusing, because I don't think they would make a foot like this that will likely fail and crack being so thick, just doesn't seem like something the fakers do, or at least I haven't found that yet.
Still no Idea but size wise and form wise I am thinking along the lines of one of these burners, maybe a Qing example? ( not that I have found one...)
Like I'm fairly certain this is fake, considering a real one sells for millions...
This is like the only real one on the planet or something...
@jbeer2121 hey Jeremy, what is the view from the top and does it appear to originally have had a lid?
around 1850s export porcelain.
Totally forgot a picture of the top... haha. I don't think it would have had a lid, almost all the burners I'm seeing did, but stem bowls do not, I dunno...
I haven't found anything mid 19th century like it though and the paste is totally different than any of the examples I have, and I mean I've compared it to like fifty random pieces, most closely it is like the Ming stuff. Plus I found a 19th century example from bonhams just a bit ago and it is way more refined, close paste from the pics, but theirs is dirty and mine is quite cleaned so I imagine that if there's were cleaned it owuld be much purer paste.. I'll try and snap a comp pic.
I'm curious why you say 1850's or so?
@jbeer2121 the crud is interesting. What a weird piece. Might be post-Belize Peter inquiry worthy. It if did have a lid then that might explain the residue if it had been sealed on at some point then later broken off.
@julia Julia, google lens search - is really cra*p. Unless you are lucky when searching for a common piece 😉
It is at times, yes. Other times though it has made me consider things slightly differently, which has been useful.
Looks like Delft in Chinese style.
@lotusblack This isn't Delft. It's a sloppy decoration, and doesn't appear usable as a utilitarian object. 😬
It would only be worth buying as a study piece if it indeed does have any age to it.
I can't really tell from the pictures, but the black looks a little odd--less like bleed-through of the cobalt pigment, and maybe more like a black pigment was added on top of the blue. Does it look better when you are holding it?
The cobalt at the rim with the residue looks similar to ship wreck pieces with the washed out look to the blue, as does the residue, it is possible that the way it was packed prevented residue from accruing on other parts other than the rim.
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