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I had the good fortune of finding a small pot, which I believe to be a tripod censer, but I have little knowledge or experience of handling pre-Ming wares. It feels great to hold, but I would very much appreciate your opinions as to its age and where it was made. I've tried as best I can to show its beautiful lavender blue glaze which is most visible on the shoulder, but also underneath and on the top of the rim. I haven't seen another with the grey and black mottled ground. It reminds me of a snail shell. The glaze has crackled over years. Its dimensions are 3 inches in diameter by 3 tall.
Thank you for your advice.
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The base looks old to me , but you could check the bottom of the three feet, is that darker colour the natural paste , or has it been dressed , or is it age related wear?
I have seen this kind of glaze before , but not on Chinese pieces , and not with that lavender tinge , but I don't think it could be called Junyao. It looks much more greeny-brown, rather than bluey/purple. It is more like some tea-dust glazed items. The crackles are not necessarily a sign of age. They can be created deliberately in the firing process .
It's nicely potted but the proportions are slightly unusual: the neck is more elongated than is typical in the pre-ming censers I have seen , which are much squatter .
I wonder if it could be Japanese, .... just my thoughts. Like you, I have handled very few ancient pottery pieces.
tam
Hello,
It is no doubt Junyao glaze. The problem is to date it correctly.
It is normal to see the blue color only in places where the glaze is pooling, hence thicker. It is because of the nature of the Jun blue, which is not due to the intrinsic material of the glaze but to the scattering of incident light (Rayleigh effect).
On your tripod, the glaze was too much fluid and because of that we see the blue effect only where it is thicker while on the rest of the vessel we see its real color. Both the color with the dark streaks, and the fact that it is too much fluid, are common on late Jun glazes, Yuan/Ming.
Here it seems a bit too much fluid, especially considering that it is a very small item.
Frankly, I am not totally confident in thinking that it is a genuine Yuan/Ming Jun censer because of the excessive running of the glaze and as a general feeling. Some doubt about the shape, which are not related to the long neck which is not a worry, censers like that do exist.
But, on the other hand, it is quite convincing just on the point where normally the fakes are failing, i.e. the bare paste and especially the work out of it.
So I do not have a firm opinion. It may be a decisive factor the story behind it, where you have found it etc.
Giovanni
I'm not sure. This censer could be a copy of Jun ware from Jin/Yuan dynasty. The shape/form is not totally right. Glaze too thin, due to long firing a lot of glaze vaporized. Only a little blue left.
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Dear Xin,
I dare to not agree a bit?.
Glaze does not evaporate for long firing, what evaporate is just the water in it. It is not that the blue is not there because it evaporated, if that is what you meant.
The glaze is simply too thin hence the blue scattered is not enough for being visible to our eye. Due to the phenomenon that I mentioned in my previous message, the blue is visible only after having reached a certain thickness.
I would exclude a Jin date for this censer. In general, there is a big difference between Jin and Yuan Junyao ware. Jin Jun is more similar to Song. After Jin, the quality did fall dramatically.
I repeat that I can’t say, especially through pictures, if this small censer is genuine or not. For sure, if modern it is the best reproduction of the bare paste that I have seen.
Giovanni
Hello and thank you for your opinions. I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know what your thoughts are on this piece. Frankly, I'm still none the wiser, though I do acknowledge that it's surely difficult, nigh impossible to authenticate a piece purely from photos, and not having the chance to see and feel it close up.
I think that I will eneavour to take it Chritie's for their opinion, as they have sold a few similar pieces over the last ten years.
Best.
I reiterate that the bottom is really convincing, but I am not that satisfyied by the shape. Does it has some patina?
In my opinion, even if genuine Christie's will not make a big estimate because of the glaze.
Can you disclose where have you found it? If not, no problem, I can understand.
Giovanni
PS: if it will be submitted to Christie's, I will appreciate to know their opinion.
I'm not sure about patina, it's difficult to tell.
I will not disclose where it was found, just yet, as neither the seller nor I really knew what it was, for sure. So that won't really help authenticate it. I will be dropping by Christie's, next week.
Thank you
Giovanni
If you want get a lot of money at Christie's, overpaint it this way ? ? ?
I'm happy with the one I've got. $367000 seems like such a lot of money for something the size of a duck egg.
And finally, perhaps my research has finally come up with something. I thought it odd that if the piece was a later copy, then why was it so hard to find, unless, it was exceptionally rare? So I persevered, and have come up with this. God bless Alain Truong! http://heteromys3.rssing.com/chan-3271429/all_p276.html
(3/4 of the way down the page).
Please let me know your thoughts. Still not been to Christie's as I'm waylaid with work.
And finally, perhaps my research has finally come up with something. I thought it odd that if the piece was a later copy, then why was it so hard to find, unless, it was exceptionally rare? So I persevered, and have come up with this. God bless Alain Truong! http://heteromys3.rssing.com/chan-3271429/all_p276.html
(3/4 of the way down the page).
Please let me know your thoughts. Still not been to Christie's as I'm waylaid with work. From what I can tell, and comparing the photo with my piece, the ground, the transluscent lavendar blue glaze, and the clay, all look exactly the same colours.
Hello,
you can't judge a Jun piece only by the color. Firing Jun glaze is a complicated process and a slight variation within it yelds a different color.
Your censer must be seen in real, finding another piece with the same color is not that important.
Giovanni
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