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Hey all,
Just picked a couple of lacquer-ware boxes, I think one holds sake bottles or is for storing porcelain maybe, the other one isjust stunning and I love the fish. Does anyone know how to date these? I suspect some age but I feel like maybe early 20th century, but really do not know...
They are both large, the fish box is 10" by 10", and the one with the mon is 10" tall.
Anyways thanks for looking and any info will be helpful.
Jeremy
I don't know, sorry, but what a wonderful profile the fish box has!
I just realized I knew the emblem, but didn't remember until a cursory google search.
Its the Tokugawa Shogunate.
Interesting.
I should note that this came from an estate sale near me that had a Blue and white vase that I think was imperial, maybe Qianlong or Yongzheng that was pulled after someone made a ridiculously high offer on before the sale.
These were just tossed in with the kitchen stuff.
Jeremy
During the Meiji, there were loyalists to the Tokugawa clan. It most likely Meiji, but worth further scrutiny. It kind of looks like a tea candy.
The koi piece is pretty, but doesn’t call out to me as Meiji… perhaps a late example or Taisho. Not sure this objects function, neither.
Usually, Edo wares have a clear function line with the needs of the feudal system.
It would make sense the koi box being later, it reminds me of some of the just post war lacquer I have seen.
The other box is interesting in that it has slots for straps like a Tomobako would and inside there is a round wear pattern at the bottom of both compartments. There were also quite a few pieces that didn’t make it into the sale, that the family kept including what was described to me as a pair of matching bottles/vases that were early 18th century Arita. I was wondering if perhaps this was a presentation box for them.
My over active mind has been driving me nuts as there were a few other things that were sold before the sale, and quite a bit of Japanese pieces. Interestingly they weren’t shown in the preview photos, so I think nobody thought much of them.
Jeremy
btw this is the vase from the sale. Any thoughts on it? I wasn’t able to handle it but could see the foot from the side and it certainly looked possible to be mid 18th.
I should note on the vase I was told they thought imperial but I wasn’t sure the painting quality was up to snuff.
@jbeer2121 I thought about going to that sale just for that vase, but I’m having fun with my granddaughter on her birthday weekend!
It sure has an interesting double gourd form (or perhaps an oversized garlic mouth) and I presume Kangxi.
The sale was five minutes from me so it wasn’t a big deal to go. For you a birthday weekend is a far better deal than showing up and having everything you wanted to see mark “Not For Sale”.
@jbeer2121 Really? That’s B.S. Glad I missed it!
I never understood when estate sale companies sell things early. I do understand if someone calls and offers $20k plus on a vase you have listed for $475. But it seems kind of wrong to me to explicitly state no early sales and then do it.
oh well..
@jbeer2121 Enough people called to buy it ahead of time, they likely pulled it. All too common a practice these days.
I certainly see it happening… about ten years ago when I first got into selling antiques I was asked to handle a few estate sales. The last one I ran had a number of very fine Chinese export pieces, including a gorgeous Coromandel screen. Well a week before the sale a gentleman from New York called and offered three times my asking price, despite my putting in the posting no early sales…. I spoke to the client, a very honest and what I’d consider, a generous, elderly Japanese diplomat. He declined as it would not be fair, I agreed, it felt right. I offered to the gentleman from New York, he comes down and buys it for half of what he offered, he literally swore at me until I thanked him and hung up.
First day of the sale he’s there and I have the screen at five thousand less than he had offered, and yet he had the nerve to swear me out, talk all kinds of shit about me to everyone there, and yet still bought it…. Some people.
I now work with a dealer, honestly I just research and identify early silver for him, who honors his word, and that is pretty much all that matters to me. I guess through this, what I am saying is that I wish in the world of collectors and dealers there was a certain honesty and fairness that prevailed, even when the offers are amazing and over the top.
Do forgive the ramble… was just at a dear client’s 90th birthday dinner and probably had a few too many Manhattans.
And by the way, where to I get a cute piglet for photos on my birthday in December?
Jeremy
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