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Hi all,
I was hoping to get some more information on this Japanese Imari bowl I bought from ShangriLa Antiques on ebay:
I fell in love with the design, but I haven't been able to find any similar examples with the other "Black Ships" pieces I've seen online which usually had dutchmen on them. I was also hoping someone would be able to chime in on the age since they had it listed as Meiji/Taisho. All thoughts are welcome!
Thanks for looking!
John
Hi John,
It's a beautiful bowl you have purchased. Stunning quality in my opinion and in exceptional condition.
Shanghai dealers are very reputable and conservative on their dating of listings.
My personal opinion is that it's from the late Meiji period 1868-1912 and not taoshi period. But that's just my opinion. If JRN logs in he maybe able to offer an opinion along with Gfhandle aka George. They are both very competent and knowledgeable with Japanese porcelain.
Mark
Hi Mark,
Thank you! I appreciate you looking at it and giving me your opinion on the date. I had not thought of collecting Japanese porcelain prior to acquiring this piece, but I think it will be the first of many. It's breathtaking and I'll treasure it.
John
Hi John,
I encourage you to purchase high quality Japanese wares at the moment. The prices are very reasonable and in coming years your collection will increase substantially in my opinion.
I also have over the last year concentrated mainly on high quality Japanese porcelain. My best piece by far, so far is the fukagawa imperial vase from the early Showa period 1926-1989. Handed in appreciation by Emporer Hirohito himself to Sir Tomlinson in about 1940.
Mark
Hi John, I'm sure you have seen the items from the Guam antiques, which are later Golden Imari pieces with the red headed dutchmen. Your excellent ship bowl is earlier and I had appreciated it from afar on the Shangrila page, glad it is going to a good home. I love the Dutch sailing ship, go VOC. I have a little covered jar that has the ship and red haired dutchmen, but it is Golden Imari for Neiman Marcus and from the eighties (inexpensive), so much later than your lovely basin. I too hope JRN will find the post. Peter always mentions what fine fellows they are and their inventory with the link on Bidamount homepage. Congratulations, you have obviously been good this year. Enjoy.
Hi Mark, I think I'll heed your advice. My collection is spread a bit too wide, so I think I'll focus on Japanese porcelain. I'll be sure to share in the future! Your fukugawa imperial vase is stunning!
Hi Sharon, thank you for your response and for looking! It's definitely in a good home right now. 😀 I appreciated it from afar for a while too, but I had to go for it after a couple of weeks. It was a great way to end the year in my opinion!
Kindly,
John
Hi George,
Thank you for responding! I appreciate your help, and I'm thankful I know more about my piece now.
John
Hi John,
Very cool object and as already pointed out, a very good dealer. I purchased one item from them in the past and was very happy with it. I agree, late Meiji in my opinion.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi John -
I know regarding such pieces but concur with above opinions, a beautiful painted fine quality bowl ...
Also agree with Marks @imperialfinejems thoughts regarding the, comparatively, the low costs of acquiring very high quality Japanese wares compared to Chinese equivalents ...
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Thanks for looking. I'll definitely be in the market for Japanese porcelain in the near future. Will share here!
John
Hi John,
Very nice bowl. A good price considering it's size and condition. If you have the time to read the article below I think you will see why the boys in Amsterdam hedged their bets a little with the date. It is mark of their honesty that they did this it is very difficult to date this type of thing with certainty. It is also very hard to attribute what Kiln or area may produced it. Arita Imari ? Kutani Irmari or Daishoji ? Based on the shaped foot I think your bowl maybe Kutani or Daishoji. As to its date that question is beyond my experience or knowledge.
The link I have posted is a bit of a long read however I have found it helpful.
Michael.
https://www.kutani.org/spip.php?newsletter3&recherche=%2Bblack%20%2B%28ship%29
Hi Michael,
Thanks for sending that article over! I can see why they included both in the description for this piece now. I wish there was more literature in this area. I've been trying to find out more information about the black ships pattern too, but haven't had much luck. It's interesting that they mention that it wasn't made for export initially! I was under the impression that it was only for export and catered to Western taste rather than domestic demand. I even ordered "Meiji Ceramics: The Art of Japanese Export Porcelain and Satsuma Ware" by Gisela Jahn earlier this week so I could learn more about this generally. That was definitely interesting.
Kindly,
John
John,
I think you will find the Japanese were as fascinated by the "Barbarians" as much as the foreigners were fascinate by the Japanese. Many Netskuke carvings were made of so called Dutchmen and lots of woodblock prints showing westerners. In the Edo and earlier Meiji think these were for Domestic use as much as for export. Perhaps by the Mid Meiji the emphasis became more export oriented.
Michael
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