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I picked this up today. Not sure why, but the very center part of the bowl looks to me like transferware, where as the rest seems hand painted. But, of course, I could be wrong. Seems quite old, mid 19th? And the table in the drawing is odd, any idea what that is? Thanks, Todd
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Hi Todd, Sorry can't be much help but if the center decoration is transfer maybe they put the transfers in the wrong place. The table should lower and the figures placed around it just a thought.
Cheers
Michael
Looks all hand painted to me , could be 19th or right up to the 1940's maybe.?
I would think this is C20th - the blue tone is very uniform and quite hard, and the quality of the painting is not good, imo
tam
Brett, that’s an interesting thought, if the table were on the bottom, it would make more sense, wouldn’t it?
Xin, thanks. Satisfying for me that you agree with me on that. I am at least progressing some.
Carl, thanks.
Tam, I was pretty sure it was 1800’s, but you are pretty good with age, so maybe you are right. Maybe if you handled it, you would change your mind. It seems almost ancient ? But its not going to break the bank, regardless, so I don’t need to know for sure.
Best, Todd
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Hi,
I think this is actually stencilled. I have some similar Japanese items of this type. I think it has a name but I can't remember what is it!
As for age, I think they are first half of the 20th century, I know that is a bit vague and I should be more exact, sorry, but my mind seems to have gone! Would the foot rim probably fit a date around 1920/30, too?
Julia
Hi Julia,
Stencilled, that is interesting. I did read that some stencilled pieces are hand drawn on other parts. Also, the “bullseye” back ceased in 1920, apparently. So, maybe that is a good piece of information, if it is accurate. http://www.jefpat.org/diagnostic/Porcelain/ThumbnailPages/JapaneseHardPastePorcelain-thumbnails.html
Todd
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Yes, I thought after maybe I should have said more like 1910/1920 but I was out by then so couldn't edit it in; however, I agree that sounds good and most likely when this bowl was made.
As Xin says there seems to be hand-painting in the inside walls of the bowl and around the rim. The central area and most of the outside looks stencilled, although those broader stripes are possibly free-hand.
The ones I have are completely stencilled and look very messy! ?
I have another of this type, also in deep cobalt blue, in which everything looks very blurry. I’ll add a pic here tomorrow. ?
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Hi Watership,
Just a thought in the mid 18thc, the British Staffordshire potteries developed what became known as flow blue ware. It was either hand painted or transfer and over painted. It was very popular and started to bring high prices. It has subsequently been endlessly reproduced. I see no reason why the Japanese would not have a go at making a similar type of ware. Have not put a link but if you google flow blue I think you will see what I mean.
Cheers
Michael
Hi Todd,
No it isn't the same, is it, but it is actually rather nice in comparison. Stencilled bowls have little gaps in the lines. Have a look at this picture you took:
Look at the side with the thinner lines, the circles, for example, are not complete, they have little gaps because you cannot stencil a complete circle very easily without leaving a bit to hold the centre to the main body of the stencil. I don't see this on your second bowl, which is more likely printed (do you think?) and over-painted.
Julia
Hi Julia,
Yes, now that you point it out, I do see the little gaps everywhere. I did not know the difference between stencill and printing before. The second bowl I posted, I could not tell by just glancing that it is printed. Its hard to tell from the pics, but the entire thing just looks blurry, and I wasn’t sure what this meant. These aren’t valuable items, but I like the deep blue cobalt. The 1st item is seriously worn. It has really been put to use, which I sort of like. Nice to learn some new things. Thank you Julia! ?
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You are welcome. Everything I know is learnt from someone else, so it is nice to pass it on. ?
Is it possible to get a clearer photo of the mark on the second bowl?
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