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So one of my shops has a vendor who is sick so he has started to let go of some personal collection. I bought this I believe to be Jade. I have to be honest I don’t like buying Jade because it’s a gamble. The reason I bought it is because the carving looked pretty high quality at least for this neck of the woods. Did I buy right?
Hi Brian,
Based on your images which are not clear it's my opinion that your carving is highly probable to be genuine jade.
Some may think or believe it's agate. In my opinion based on years of experience it's genuine. Or at least highly probable. And not agate.
It also does look natural and untreated. A UV should determine this in high probability. Dyed or treated jade/other tends to be spotty or blotchy. Yours is a nice even colour.
As to age. I think it is a carving from the later 20th century. The quality of the carving is pretty good. Along with the colour which if untreated is desirable. Especially among the younger generation (Chinese) who prefer newer jades to older ones.
Ultimately one would need to perform a specific gravity test to determine if it's jade.
Nice example, my friend. Almost could be a toggle. I see holes etc.
Regards,
Mark
He collected this motif Jades. I bought 2 of them could have bought 4 total. Here is the 2nd one.
This one is suspect. I don't think it's jade. However, it would need to be tested SG. Or alternatively use a pen knife (not hardened steel) and see if it leaves a white line/mark or if it's a darker colour.
The quality of the carving is low. It also looks treated.
Mark
@imperialfinegems thanks Mark couldn’t get anything to put a scratch in it.
Interesting.
If it was serpentine it should in most (not all) cases be easy to scratch and leave a white mark or line that is easily wiped off. Bowenite on the other hand is harder. But this is not bowenite.
Perhaps perform a SG test and report back your findings. Assuming of course you have fairly accurate scales etc.
The underneath looks very suspicious.
I prefer the first one.
Mark
I just got back from a Asian art appraiser he is well know here and in Dallas. He specializes in Jade @ hard stone. Actually I saw my first Chicken Blood stamp today. So he gave me a lesson on Jade. And what to look for and showed me many of his pieces. His Ming piece OMG. To make long story short both pieces are jade. Date attributes first one as late 18th century and second as late 19th to 20th century. I had hard time understanding sling cutting and bamboo drilling with rasp tooling. I will have to read about these things. He said today’s carving are very good and even better that old jade. But they don’t have the experience to polish the inner workings and bamboo holes. He suggested since I was lucky in the future not to press my luck as 95 percent of Jade being sold is fake.
I forgot to mention if you have a real jade carving and you tap it with another it’s makes a distinct sound but the first piece must be real. Also SG test is best way to figure jade out. Plus it’s hard for a authenticator to tell jade from photo as everyone picture and computers show objects different so the way I hear it touching is most important. Oh if it heats up when put under arm pit it’s probably not jade. But a smelly stone. Lol
Well that's great news for you. What's this appraisers name? I know a few of them in that area. Just curious.
Nothing beats hands on appraisal. Pictures can be very deceiving. That's why I am very cautious as I am using a small phone screen.
I would learn how to tell the modern tooling rather than the old tooling first. Once you have grasped that then move onto older techniques. Always be very careful with perfect circles or curves!!! Indicates new.
Polishing new jade is done by electronic buffering. It lacks the look. Old timers used to moisten their thumb and run it over the jade. If it went smoothly it was old. If it sort of stutterd it was not.
Yes your absolutely correct about tapping a known piece of jade against a unknown piece. If it makes a certain high pitch ring its genuine. But you must be able to recognize the sound. It's important to note that the genuine piece must be free from treatment! Hefting is another way. But it takes years of practice to master. It involves throwing the jade and catching it in one hand. It's to do with the weight of the jade as jade is a very dense stone.
Interesting his dating of your items.
It's not so much that they (modern carvers) don't know or have the experience with polishing the inner parts of a carving. They just don't do it. It's time consuming and they are in most cases on a deadline. Even some older one are not fully polished so I would not rely on that for confirmation. I have seen numerous 19th century carvings like that.
Mark
@imperialfinegems Mark I must say in my opinion a appraiser is not always an expert or gemologist. It’s just someone who has more experience than me. Which is none. Lol As for his dating Idk. I am going to get another opinion because one thing has troubled me and it might just be my inexperience. But I don’t like the shiny. He did say something I thought strange in the Early Republic period old Jade was disliked so they took it and reworked large pieces. They actually broke large old jade pieces to make new smaller ones. Have you heard this? I’ll send some high resolution photos of the cuts this should put dates to rest.
Hi Brian,
I have never heard that before! Interesting though. Would not surprise me with say what they did during the 50's/60's. But not republic period.
You don't need to be a gemologist to know jades. But it definitely helps. I did my course many years. Back in the early 80's. Things have changed so much since then etc. An appraisal done by a only jades dealer is preferred to say one who covers many areas. For obvious reasons. I know a few collectors who would never buy anything else. I used to be one of them but since joining here years ago I have come to appreciate many other areas.
Probably the most knowledgeable dealer on jades in the USA would be Sam Bernstein from San Francisco. He used to operate a gallery but since covid 19 has been operating privately. He would definitely know the answer to your question.
Tremont Auctions is also pretty good.
Without handling your pieces it is difficult to determine the approximate age. However at first glance when I viewed them yesterday I thought 19th/20th century for the first one. And much later for the one I did not like.
Just my opinion though. It is very subjective trade. You can show a jade piece to 6 experts and get 10 different options!!!!
Mark
@imperialfinegems this is why I don’t like dealing with Jade. But I know if you get very lucky there are great profits it really gambling. Lol Does Sam still do authentications? I’m trying to get a correct insurance value for the first one. But true age and authenticity dictates value or is a new piece pretty much the same as older piece in the market. I was told today both Jades where $600 for both thought it was low.
Hi Brian,.
Yes Sam is still available for valuation etc.
In my opinion for insurance purposes the first one should be about $800-1200 as a 19/20th century example. If it was say a new piece then the value would be much lower. Say about $300.
Older jades are technically worth more than new jades in the USA. It's not the same as in China.
Mark
@imperialfinegems thanks Mark for your help with this. Tricky subject I was thinking of making the small one into a necklace charm for myself. And if it was to break off want to have it insured.
@imperialfinegems I looked at Sam’s appraisal rates. Lol His rate is more than the jade is worth. I’m in the wrong business. I’m sure by reading his credentials he’s viewing masterpieces not touristy stuff.
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