The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Jade disc are one of the most prolifically copied and often very difficult to distinguish. Often they would need to be handled.
In my opinion this one is a modern copy.
I believe this for a few reasons. Firstly it looks treated. It does, not look natural. Secondly the perfect circles along with curves indicates a modern drill.
As you know provenance is very important with jades like these. Without said they are substantially cheaper. As it is often very difficult to determine age etc etc.
Regards,
Mark
I should perhaps have mentioned that I'm not certain about the authenticity of these. But their small size suggest they are authentic in my opinion. Only 11cm across.
I'm also not sure if they are treated or not. The whitish residue in the russet areas is also seen in natural coloured jade. And artificial staining of jade was used extensively in the Ming dynasty. I'm not sure what you mean with "the perfect circles along with the curves". What part of the discs are you talking about?
Here is a close-up where you can better see the detailing of the carving. A little on the crude side but still fairly finely worked.
I love the intricate carving, but two things give me pause. First, the areas between the carving seem to very flat and planar across the whole disc. This could be achieved using machinery--imagine the equivalent of a router, grinding out the outlines of the carving, which are then carved by hand to achieve the 3-dimensional look. It might be achievable by hand, but it would be difficult. Of course, it is hard to tell, looking head-on, just how flat and even the areas between the carvings are, so maybe I am wrong?
The second thing is that within the central hole, the bottom side of the decoration crossing the hole is not carved 3-dimensionally. Given the care used to carve the top features and the other decoration on the bottom, why wasn't the bottom of the creatures carved?
I have never seen any bi-discs in real life, and these are just my opinions. Despite my reservations, they are very attractive, and I would still be proud to own them! The variation in color is striking.
Charles
I am referring to the back with the curves and circles. They appear to be too perfect.
The colour maybe from either treatment or over exposure on the camera.
Mark
I don't think the comma scrolls, etc. appear to be too perfect. They can be much finer than this. In general Han dynasty jade can be extremely finely carved. I don't think that the jade material look artificial stained either. It might be however.
The two jade discs were available in an online listing but no one bid the dollar 1500 opening bid. I just took the time to go through the sellers other listings appear to be either fakes or doubtful. But some of the jades look very convincing.
This jade Ming/Qing buffalo for example seems to be very high quality. Only 8cm across.
These reverse circular curved symbols appear to be at least in my eyes to be too perfectly carved.
To carve said using the traditional tooling would be extremely difficult. Especially with multiples. Whereas using a modern drill very easy.
As you already know archaic carving are being produced today in astonishing high quality. So without provenance buyers are reluctant to buy.
I was taught to to be very careful with too perfectly carved circles and curves.
Is the buffalo also from the same seller?
Mark
Yes, the jade buffalo is available from the same seller. At this Han jade bi the scrolls are even more perfect. And they can be finer than that.
The jade bi disc available from Sam Bernstein does not have a provenance.
@avatar I might be wrong but Sam is the providence.
The one from Sam Bernstein you will see the circles and curves are not perfect. At least not in my eyes.
As noted by Brian this particular disc has no provenance or has not been published/listed. However he is in my opinion one of the top dealers in jades. Anything coming from his gallery is on itself substantial provenance.
Later I shall look into the reference material quoted by Sam Bernstein and if appropriate shall post here if anyone is interested.
Mark
I am interested. I found the Bernstein piece very helpful as a comparison. This may sound fanciful but it has a warmth and softness to the work whereas the others seem cold, as though the manufacture involved no emotion. Rather like the way the decoration on a copy of an old porcelain piece appears stiff.
@lotusblack Sam Bernstein is a reputable dealer. Not a provenance or a providence. If you bought the jade bi and wanted to re-sell it you could note it as a provenance as where first you purchased it. Prior to that it doesn't have a provenance.
Latest Post: Stone Buddha Our newest member: Karen Schneider Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.