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I have no experience with these, so I'm wondering if this would qualify as being heaped and piled? If so, might this be an older plate? I posted the mark earlier, but figured I'd show the whole deal. Looking forward to hearing others thoughts. Cheers! John
John,
Not sure of the mark, but it certainly looks to have some age, and I do think that would be considered heaped and piled.
It sure is a beautiful plate.
Jeremy
What a nice plate! It looks to be in the style of some hatcher cargo pieces. Can't remember the exact dates but I can see a resemblance at least in the central decoration to some late Ming maybe transitional pieces. I am not saying it is, Mark is probably correct but the similarity is interesting.
Late Qing Dehua kiln blue and white dish for domestic and Vietnamese market.
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@xin_fawis Thanks, Xin! Do you know if that is a kiln mark or does it say something else?
@xin_fawis Thanks, Xin! Do you know if that is a kiln mark or does it say something else?
There are two characters. The first one is hart to read, the second one is 玉 means jade.
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Xin what gives it away as late Qing for the Vietnamese market. I can see why the Dehua with the thicker potting but I find the painting a lot better than what I would typically think of as export.
And I to find it a very pleasing plate to look at.
Ron
I would like to know, too, Ron/Xin. I can see the foot/base is Chinese 19th c but is the destination based on where they were made initially?
For example, I mentioned the central design (the construction or layout) having a resemblance to some late Ming wares, typically Swatow types like the ones below. Were these destined for the SE Asian Market due to proximity of where they were made? Or was this style something the Vietnamese already liked and so was made specifically for them by the Chinese. Or did the Chinese send them over and they developed into a style traditionally enjoyed in that region?
Once a style is established in a region, did demand continue for similar items? I mean was this type of item in continued production for the same market or did it cease and start up again, like a revival?
Sorry for all the questions. I will see if I can answer them myself. 😊
I found an interesting book on the subject but at a few hundred pounds (cheapest!) I had to pass! However, I came across a useful short article, the author's focus was more on commercial trade than Chinese porcelain but ceramics are the commodity.
I can't post a link for some reason, but if anyone is interested in a brief outline you can search on Early History and Distribution of Trade Ceramics in Southeast Asia and select the downloadable PDF held at ojs.library.carleton.ca
It doesn't answer Ron's question to Xin but it did help me a bit with mine. 😊
@xin_fawis Hey Xin, I'm hoping you can address the questions Ron and Julia have raised above if you have any further info on this. Thanks so much!
This kind of ware is made for domestic and Vietnamese/S.E Asian market, I mentioned it before, not only for Vietnamese market. From the body, the glaze, the design and the cobalt colour used here for this dish I can tell it's from Dehua kiln. To be correct it should be Mid-Qing or 19th c. They used Zhejiang cobalt (bright blue) and local cobalt mixture ( black pigment in the dark greyish blue). This one was painted with the local mixture, very typical colour.
Although Dehua kiln blue and white porcelain is not as famous as Jingdezhen blue and white porcelain, they exported a lot. At the end of the 20th century, a shipwreck named "Tek Sing" was recovered from the Zhongsha Islands in the South China Sea, containing 350,000 pieces of blue and white porcelain produced by Dehua kiln from the late 18th century to the early 19th century.
I can identify this type of porcelain, but I still don't know enough about this kiln and its history. Sorry.
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