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So after researching these lantern stands most are Huang-huali. Since I have yet to find anything Huang-huali I’m wondering if this stand could be.
I'm not getting a huali vibe from the look of the wood grain. But it is quite pretty regardless. What do the bottom of the feet look like?
Hey Brian, I think its possible but I am horrible at ID'ing woods from pictures. I will say in your first pics last night, with my sleepy brain, I was tempted to declare it a huanghuali Dengtai, but I figured I'd probably be wrong. I would definitely send it to your contacts at the majors.
There is one foot that looked like it had yellowish grain in a knot, and that is what tipped it in that direction for me. also the "Z" graining could be explained by simple how they rotated the log and cut through it.
here is a good post btw from the asian art forums with pics of woods, including a bunch that are confused with huanghuali.
https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/index.php?method=detailAll&Id=29945
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Jeremy
@jbeer2121 everything I have read today says drown grain lines like this is a sign of huanghuali.
I have found many examples of the “Z” grain.
My lantern.
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@johnshoe here are some photos of the feet. I just can’t find this grain type. It’s just strange to me the bare wood is also very yellow.
I have been wondering, do you think this could have replaced woods on the bottom? The upper majority looks like rose wood with mostly typical grain, but the bottom and feet have this yellow zigzagging grain...
@jbeer2121 no due to the zig zag being in the upper side supports.
I got a email response from a friend that had his friend with more experience in Chinese wood. He told him the reason everyone is confused on the Dengtai is due to two reasons first reason is the Dengtai is missing the slide guild these are often the case when the lantern was modified into a lamp which was very common. This will affect the value due to the alterations and the missing part but a replacement can be made. That is the bad part. The good part is the wood is consistent with Huanghuali and Jichimu aka chicken wood the mix of these two woods were common in the Imperial household the carving style is consistent with such pieces but more information will be needed to come to this conclusion. It is my belief that this Dengtai would not gather the interest for consignment with a leading auction house due to the missing guide and alteration. But it is still a nice Qing period Dengtai and encourage restoring it to its natural form.
Nice Brian,
Interesting about the missing bits, and the two woods. I have seen some huanghuali boxes in person that were very obvious and a table, also sorta obvious, but this is some wacky looking wood.
I think you are probably right with the majors, since condition is key for them, however if a pristine one can bring 100k with solid provenance, id be curious what this one might bring.
Very cool find regardless, and congrats.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 I think what he is saying is the stand is chicken wood and the panels a lantern post is Huanghuali but I’m not sold yet on any of it but the chicken wood does look like comps I found. As for the Imperial household theory I won’t hold my breath on that. Wood is really hard from a photo.
@jbeer2121 I found this in my searching and thought it was an interesting find this limited edition classic furniture book is worth more than some furniture.
@lotusblack wow, I need to go check my library to see if I have a copy of that laying around.
@lotusblack I have that book(thats where the pics I posted the other night were from) but not that edition, holy cow. Insane what early editions and limited runs go for.
A while back I found my way into the chinese version of the forbidden city virtual tour, and they had a bunch of these dengtai through out the collection, you maybe able to track that down, there are so many variants of the carvings, likely from different periods and what not, but overall cool to see them as they were used.
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