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Your vase is nothing special… moriage style accounts for the relief texture.
@greeno107 That seems like a lot of work would have went into doing it that way. There must be some trick to it.
@greeno107 The phone will change soon. And then you can all rejoice. Until then I will continue to torture everyone with my hellish photos.
Very nice Nippon ware. Actually it's better than usual. Very Art Deco looking. This would be collectable if it's in good shape. Very desirable shape and colour.
Did you buy this one? I like this one.
Mark
I have doubts, too. The mark is good but so was the latest 20th c fake version. But that aside, the gold outlines are exactly like those on Chinese satsuma of the late 20th c. To me, the decoration on this vase is not up to the quality of the 1920s. The whole thing looks clumpy and inelegant. It has been poorly finished, there are gaps between the blue and the gold outlining the cartouches and the blue falls over the gold moriage trim on the base.
I would feel more positive if you could show me another example of this kind of raised background on a piece with this mark that is indisputedly from that period because I haven't been able to locate one.
Sorry, I hope I am not coming over as an old grouch today. I just don't seem to be saying anything nice enough.
@julia Interesting. I think it was pretty nicely done, and fairly precise painting. Just to argue with you a bit since you are feeling feisty, I would say that it seems odd to suggest it would be an object faked if you don't think it is a nice object anyway. What would be the point? .
How do you know I am feeling feisty? 🤔 😉 😊
John, if I were faking an object, I wouldn't be doing it for me, would I? Whether I like the object or not is irrelevant. Your vase may be perfectly fine, I just agree with Tim that it isn't anything special. If you look at the gold lines on yours, if they were removed and just the under painting on display, I don't think it would be anything special that was left.
I saw some really nice pieces (art nouveau though) on a newsletter where the gold lines were part of the design, they accentuated what was already there but if they were removed, there would still be a lovely decoration to enjoy.
Maybe your vase is fine, maybe I am just being difficult, but these pieces are hugely faked and I cannot find a similar piece with that rough background. Given those two statements which for me are true until shown otherwise, I feel it is entirely reasonable to question/be cautious.
Hope that is ok. If I am wrong and I accept that I may well be, I will be more than happy with that - as much as anything that will be nice for you and I will have learnt something. After all, that is why I am on this site.
Google Gotheborg Morimura Brothers Noritake, mark is 1914-1921, I don't know if they faked these in the seventies or eighties but they faked RS Prussia big time, so perhaps since Nippon collecting was hitting strides. Try asking a Nippon collector group's opinion, bound to be some of them. Sharon
There is also an article on fake Morimura Brothers marks on Ruby Lane and how the new fake marks have improved over the earlier fake marks. It's a jungle out there, a walk on the wild side, jokers to the right of you. I passed on some Noritake today because it was just the sixties plain wedding ring pattern, there was a cute Japanese luster mustard pot with lid, but it was unmarked.
One thing I have learnt whilst being a member of this forum is that clear pictures are vital.
Otherwise conflicting opinions are bound to arise.
I think perhaps if Dave @short-dong pops in he may have a thought or two. He from memory collects Nippon ware.
It's inconclusive based on the images as to whether this vase is genuine or not. I agree, I have never seen one like this before. But that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
I just liked the Deco look.
Mark
The origional Mark
Check this gallery of modern reproductions.
https://nipponcollectorsclub.com/reproductions-alerts/reproduction-examples/
I think your vase base looks genuine,with that high bone china cream, as does the Gold gilt and the wear, and the decoration looks genuine.
The blue is odd, and i have never seen it before, I know japanese used to make (and for a very short time as the firing process made them very expensive) a form of glaze called Shark skin. It was a rough glaze liek a sharks skin in pale blue. Whether this is some kinf od appreciation of that who can say.
I think the vase if legit but very odd.
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